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Audi · 03-17-2010, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Now your making some sense with the first sentence.

Your premises about "surprise" and GM omniscience is still a load of bull and you have not produced real evidence of a fatal flaw in Leinart. Continue worshipping you god, Polian.

So what you're trying to say is that Matt Leinart should have gone higher and should be ranked as Ferguson's equal in terms of value.

SirClintonPortis · 03-17-2010, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Audi

The Vikings took Tarvaris Jackson in the 2nd round. The Jets took Kellen Clemens in the 2nd round.

Neither have amounted to much despite the offensive lines put in front of them.

And Drew Brees was also a second rounder. Draft position does not tell the individual player's skill abilities, it just represents how people viewed their likeliness to fail. Good 2nd round QBs probably come around the QB draft class is deep.

Ruhskins · 03-17-2010, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Sure, but "The Hogs" weren't built on first round picks

Russ Grimm (3rd round)
Mark May (1st round)
George Starke (11th round)
Jeff Bostic (undrafted)
Joe Jacoby (undrafted)
Jim Lachey (1st round-Chargers; joined Redskins in 5th season)
Raleigh McKenzie (11th round)
R.C. Thielemann (2nd round-Falcons; joined Redskins in 8th season)
Mark Schlereth (10th round)
Ed Simmons (6th round)

No first rounders? LOL.

I'd be ok with drafting Bradford if we could at least have our LT position secure. At this point we haven't, and the idea of drafting Bradford with the line we have right now is scary.

Longtimefan · 03-17-2010, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinsfanNTX

He becomes the veteran QB and likely the Redskins will deal Campbell during the draft after they take a rookie QB early. I would like to see us ship Campbell, McIntosh, Davis, #1 (4th. overall), and 2011 2nd. round pick to the Rams for their #1 (1st. overall) and select Bradford.

Boy!! You really love you some Sam Bradford don't you?

And welcome! to your latest environment.

Audi · 03-17-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

And Drew Brees was also a second rounder. Draft position does not tell the individual player's skill abilities, it just represents how people viewed their likeliness to fail. Good 2nd round QBs probably come around the QB draft class is deep.

Drew Brees was taken #32. Now is he as a second round quarterback the rule or the exception? In the last fifteen years, the only second round quarterbacks to amount to anything close to being a successful starter are Jake Plummer and Drew Brees. And Jake Plummer was a seasoned veteran by the time he started being respectable.

SmootSmack · 03-17-2010, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

No first rounders? LOL.

I'd be ok with drafting Bradford if we could at least have our LT position secure. At this point we haven't, and the idea of drafting Bradford with the line we have right now is scary.

The entire line wasn't built on first rounders, and Lachey was a 1st rounder that we got in his fifth year in the NFL.

Ruhskins · 03-17-2010, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Audi

Drew Brees was taken #32. Now is he as a second round quarterback the rule or the exception? In the last fifteen years, the only second round quarterbacks to amount to anything close to being a successful starter are Jake Plummer and Drew Brees. And Jake Plummer was a seasoned veteran by the time he started being respectable.

And the Chargers dumped him and went after a first round QB, and well that worked out fine...but not SB fine. Also a 6th rounder by the name of Tom Brady also has done a few things here and there.

Look we get it, first round QBs typically do a good job, I just don't think one is right for the Redskins right now.

Ruhskins · 03-17-2010, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The entire line wasn't built on first rounders, and Lachey was a 1st rounder that we got in his fifth year in the NFL.

I know man, I'm just messing with you.

luke4twenty · 03-17-2010, 03:58 PM

Hello, newbie here, thought I would tip my toe in on this one. Why not Derek Anderson before the Cards got him??? He is younger and has many more tools to work with, wasn't expensive, and could have actually competed with JC, and who knows, Shanny might have made him a pro bowler again. What do you think?

Audi · 03-17-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

And the Chargers dumped him and went after a first round QB, and well that worked out fine...but not SB fine. Also a 6th rounder by the name of Tom Brady also has done a few things here and there.

Look we get it, first round QBs typically do a good job, I just don't think one is right for the Redskins right now.

And how good was Tom Brady's offensive line? Check out how many times he was sacked in 2001.

SirClintonPortis · 03-17-2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Audi

So what you're trying to say is that Matt Leinart should have gone higher and should be ranked as Ferguson's equal in terms of value.

Nope, I agree Leinart was rated lower than Ferguson by the Jets, but how much lower is only known to the Jets scouting department. But they still took the LT even though the QB was not that much lower rated, assuming that the team draft grades corresponds to actual draft order.

It's just that you cannot grasp the concept of multiple expected outcomes and thus lack of surprise at any of them and that you cling to a preemptive collective decision-making model when it comes to teams deciding the draft order.

Ruhskins · 03-17-2010, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Audi

And how good was Tom Brady's offensive line? Check out how many times he was sacked in 2001.

18 times, which was third for fewest sacks allowed. May you meant 2002...oh wait, they were in the top 10 of fewest sacks allowed.

Yes but you're diverting from your fanatical argument about first round QBs. Hell, wasn't Campbell a first round QB and now you're trying to get rid of him for another first round QB?

Again, I get what you are trying to say, I'm just not as fanatical about drafting a LT as you are about drafting a QB. I just think it makes sense given the success of a few teams that have been in similar situation as we have.

SirClintonPortis · 03-17-2010, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Audi

Drew Brees was taken #32. Now is he as a second round quarterback the rule or the exception? In the last fifteen years, the only second round quarterbacks to amount to anything close to being a successful starter are Jake Plummer and Drew Brees. And Jake Plummer was a seasoned veteran by the time he started being respectable.

I was hinting at him being the exception. DUHHHHH. Read the whole damn post next time.

tryfuhl · 03-17-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by luke4twenty

Hello, newbie here, thought I would tip my toe in on this one. Why not Derek Anderson before the Cards got him??? He is younger and has many more tools to work with, wasn't expensive, and could have actually competed with JC, and who knows, Shanny might have made him a pro bowler again. What do you think?

guessing it was more of a grossman-shanahan deal

anderson went to pro bowl a few years ago, grossman went to superbowl a few years ago blah blah

welcome to the warpath man

Audi · 03-17-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Yes but you're diverting from your fanatical argument about first round QBs. Hell, wasn't Campbell a first round QB and now you're trying to get rid of him for another first round QB?

Again, I get what you are trying to say, I'm just not as fanatical about drafting a LT as you are about drafting a QB. I just think it makes sense given the success of a few teams that have been in similar situation as we have.

Please name the few teams that have been in similar situation that had success by drafting a LT in the first round and a QB in the second round as you suggested.

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luke4twenty Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 29	Re: Redskins Sign Grossman Hello, newbie here, thought I would tip my toe in on this one. Why not Derek Anderson before the Cards got him??? He is younger and has many more tools to work with, wasn't expensive, and could have actually competed with JC, and who knows, Shanny might have made him a pro bowler again. What do you think?

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