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Old 03-30-2010, 04:32 PM   #301
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I just have to laugh at these Philly fans that are already booting McNabb out the door. They have no clue how lucky they've been to have a top notch QB all these years.
I certainly think McNabb's better than many Philly fans want to give him credit for being, but I certainly wouldn't suggest that they've been any luckier at the Quarterback position than we have. They just simply know how to have a consistently successful passing game even with a Quarterback who makes a bunch of mistakes.

There's nothing Philly has done with their passing productivity that we should be jealous of or that we couldn't have replicated with the QBs we've had the last five or six years and a similar philosophy/attention to detail. It's the system they have in place that makes it obvious to point out that Kolb will likely be more successful than McNabb...the Steve Young to McNabb's Montana, if you will.

I mean, on one hand you can laugh at the Philly fans who don't understand that not every quarterback in the league can go in and provide what McNabb has for a decade, but speaking from a Redskins fans prospective doesn't exactly lend itself to credibility here. There's a sizable minority of Redskins fans that would be completely dumbstruck by the results of any objective analysis of Jason Campbell's career. Only three quarterbacks drafted since 2005 have accrued more passing DYAR than Campbell: Rodgers, Ryan, and Cutler, and none of those guys are more than a half season or so ahead of him at this point.

McNabb's been very good for a long time, but if he's not the future there, now is as good a time as any to make the switch.
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Old 03-30-2010, 04:37 PM   #302
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McNabb's been very good for a long time, but if he's not the future there, now is as good a time as any to make the switch.
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Old 03-30-2010, 05:25 PM   #303
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He must be quite the magician to put up the numbers that he does with only 4 good passes per game.

He hasn't missed a significant amount of games since 2006.

Ok, I apologize. I may have exagerated my opinion. I feel exactly as Gtripp put it but I will add that my "opinion" is he is not as good as he was a few yrs ago. I (my opinion) think his talents are waning. Obviously due to age he's not going to get better and due to his injuries in his past he's less mobile. I'll also add that I think the Reid found a decent way to accentuate the positives in McNabb.

I personally have seen since his injury a couple of years ago (knee I think) he is more skitish in the pocket. The longer he has to hold the ball in the pocket the more skitish he gets.

This is my sole opinion. I didn't mean to say he sucks. I simply said I wish he would stay in Philli cause we knew what we had to go up against in Philli and the last few yrs we have not done bad even though we lost. In other words we came up with a good game plan against him. Kolbe is an unknown. Kolbe may be more mobile. Maybe have a stronger arm for he long ball. Maybe more accurate. Thats all I'm saying.

and.... if I had to pick between McNabb of today or Campbell I'd pick Campbell simply due to his age and health. If you are comparing JC to McNabb of early yrs then it's obvious I'd pick McNabb.

But when it comes to Philli I think its their system. One in which they have been in for several yrs. Plus it's a good system Reid is running. I think Kolbe will have a good showing if given the chance. Thats all.
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Old 03-30-2010, 05:39 PM   #304
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Re: Rumor: Eagles and Rams Finalizing Trade Involving McNabb

Statistically:

McNabb;

TD's- 22
INT- 10
YRDS- 3,553
RTG- 92.9

JC;

TD's- 20
INT- 15
YRDS-3,618
RTG- 86.4

Funny, 2 less TD's and 5 more INT's gives you 6 more points in the ratings. JC even threw for more yrds. I guess the arguement is McNabb did better with less yrds. JC only threw for 65 more yrds though which could easily have been one play. Maybe two.
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Old 03-30-2010, 05:54 PM   #305
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Re: Rumor: Eagles and Rams Finalizing Trade Involving McNabb

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Statistically:

McNabb;

TD's- 22
INT- 10
YRDS- 3,553
RTG- 92.9

JC;

TD's- 20
INT- 15
YRDS-3,618
RTG- 86.4

Funny, 2 less TD's and 5 more INT's gives you 6 more points in the ratings. JC even threw for more yrds. I guess the arguement is McNabb did better with less yrds. JC only threw for 65 more yrds though which could easily have been one play. Maybe two.
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McNabb - 267/443, 60.3%, sacked 35 times, 140 rush yards
Campbell - 327/507, 64.5% sacked 43 times, 236 rush yards


JC - more accurate passer, better runner, despite having a far worse offensive line and no weapon like DeSean Jackson.
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Re: Rumor: Eagles and Rams Finalizing Trade Involving McNabb

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McNabb - 267/443, 60.3%, sacked 35 times, 140 rush yards
Campbell - 327/507, 64.5% sacked 43 times, 236 rush yards


JC - more accurate passer, better runner, despite having a far worse offensive line and no weapon like DeSean Jackson.
Accuracy doesn't always tell the whole story. Obviously one of the biggest criticism of JC is his lack of accuracy on the deep ball and a tendency to dump the ball off, leading to some to conclude that his stats are inflated. We'll see though as the line will be better this year and short of a great trade offer we'll keep him around.

Also you do see a lot of highlights with McNabb connecting on deep balls. Maybe it's a better supporting cast but I think a 4% difference in accuracy isn't enough to conclude that JC is much more accurate then McNabb.

Crap sorry for putting fuel on the JC fire in a non-JC thread.
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I certainly think McNabb's better than many Philly fans want to give him credit for being, but I certainly wouldn't suggest that they've been any luckier at the Quarterback position than we have. They just simply know how to have a consistently successful passing game even with a Quarterback who makes a bunch of mistakes.
How so?

He sure doesn't throw a ton of picks, never has

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How so?

He sure doesn't throw a ton of picks, never has

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Mistakes of the game-management/missing opportunities to run, sort.

McNabb's mistakes are pretty similar to Campbell's mistakes. They'll both miss a wide open receiver every once in awhile (Campbell less frequently, if only because Redskins receivers are rarely open), and every once in awhile, both will lose track of the game situation.

But neither is going to kill you with a big interception, and that's where a lot of their joint value comes from.

I think in lowest INT rate (career), Neil O'Donnell is No. 1 and McNabb is No. 2. Or it used to be that way, at least.
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Also you do see a lot of highlights with McNabb connecting on deep balls. Maybe it's a better supporting cast but I think a 4% difference in accuracy isn't enough to conclude that JC is much more accurate then McNabb.
A 4% difference is about a ball and a half difference per game, all else equal.

If McNabb were as accurate as Campbell's completion percentage suggests he is, I would estimate that's about 2 or 3 more touchdowns over the course of the season.

That's a big difference, all else equal. Granted, that doesn't cover the skill gap between Philadelphia's defense and say, our defense, but if McNabb was a career 63% passer, he'd be one of the most efficient players in NFL history. As is, he's been a quality player who dropped off from pro-bowl level after about his sixth year in the NFL, when he dropped from a 500-600 rushing yd/year guy to a 150ish rushing yard per year guy. I don't know if I'd consider being the third QB at this years' pro-bowl after Favre and Brees dropped an honor, but McNabb is still roughly the 6th best quarterback in his conference. Campbell, of course, would be the 7th.

A move to Kolb may just be the Eagles hoping he can be Drew Brees or Kurt Warner in their offense (what he will have to be to represent an upgrade), but if they want to get the most out of guys like Jackson and Maclin, it almost has to be done. I don't think I'm expecting Kolb to upgrade their QB position, but the offense that Donovan once owned is pretty much long gone. He's merely the last holdover at this point.

Plus as strange as it sounds, Kolb probably offers a lot more value with his feet than McNabb does.
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McNabb - 267/443, 60.3%, sacked 35 times, 140 rush yards
Campbell - 327/507, 64.5% sacked 43 times, 236 rush yards


JC - more accurate passer, better runner, despite having a far worse offensive line and no weapon like DeSean Jackson.

I'll admit I'm not the best stat player but I did get my info from the NFL.com. Looked each up and took their stats from their page.
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A 4% difference is about a ball and a half difference per game, all else equal.

If McNabb were as accurate as Campbell's completion percentage suggests he is, I would estimate that's about 2 or 3 more touchdowns over the course of the season.

That's a big difference, all else equal. Granted, that doesn't cover the skill gap between Philadelphia's defense and say, our defense, but if McNabb was a career 63% passer, he'd be one of the most efficient players in NFL history. As is, he's been a quality player who dropped off from pro-bowl level after about his sixth year in the NFL, when he dropped from a 500-600 rushing yd/year guy to a 150ish rushing yard per year guy. I don't know if I'd consider being the third QB at this years' pro-bowl after Favre and Brees dropped an honor, but McNabb is still roughly the 6th best quarterback in his conference. Campbell, of course, would be the 7th.

A move to Kolb may just be the Eagles hoping he can be Drew Brees or Kurt Warner in their offense (what he will have to be to represent an upgrade), but if they want to get the most out of guys like Jackson and Maclin, it almost has to be done. I don't think I'm expecting Kolb to upgrade their QB position, but the offense that Donovan once owned is pretty much long gone. He's merely the last holdover at this point.

Plus as strange as it sounds, Kolb probably offers a lot more value with his feet than McNabb does.
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Seriously, they have no idea what it feels like to be searching for a QB for 15 years lol
Well we did have Brad Johnson in 1999 then Todd Collins in the last half of 2007 but other then that we really have been looking for a QB for a while.
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Acutally, the criticism that Campbell's completion percentage is inflated does have some merit. Campbell attempted 302 passes that traveled 10 yards or fewer.
McNabb only attempted 223 passes that traveled 10 yards or less.

Last time I checked, 60% is much larger than 50%.

A fine example of how stats can be used to mislead.

Not only that, McNabb was more efficient than Campbell; he obtained his numbers with far fewer attempts.
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How can a redskin fan not know how frikkin often JC checked down this past season. Which does bring up this interesting question.....If he had enough time to go thru all options then check down to HB/FB, which he did a ridiculous amount this past year, how many of those sacks are a product of him holding the ball too long, or him running strait into his lineman or a defender? If he had the ball for that long, why didnt he pull the trigger and try downfield once in a while? Did he even go thru his progressions, or did he go strait to the dump off? I think the latter, given his happy feet......


We need to get rid of JC and find another option for our future at QB. He has had ample time to get something going, and has shown nuthing but mediocrity. How many QB's only WISHED they got 5 seasons worth of chances to run an offense. We need to try to get as much value out of him as possible, and watch him underachieve elsewhere. that is why they made NFL sunday ticket. Just not at our field, not anymore at least.
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Re: Rumor: Eagles and Rams Finalizing Trade Involving McNabb

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McNabb - 267/443, 60.3%, sacked 35 times, 140 rush yards
Campbell - 327/507, 64.5% sacked 43 times, 236 rush yards


JC - more accurate passer, better runner, despite having a far worse offensive line and no weapon like DeSean Jackson.

Here is a stat for you that actually matters.

Redskins - 4 wins
Eagles - 11 wins

Redskins v Eagles head to head - 0-2

So prop up JC vs McNabb all you want statistically. The results are comical when compared.
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