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Old 04-04-2010, 02:23 AM   #61
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For every Desean Jackson bomb there was a missed wide open receiver. Put the blame where you want because it fell into both JC either missing seeing the receiver, putting the ball somewhere it couldn't be caught, or JC going into panic mode because he was about to become roadkill... or another category, the ball was pretty scripted to go to a particular receiver.
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Old 04-04-2010, 02:26 AM   #62
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I'm siding with Pocket$ on this one. Stats aside, McNabb has done more with similar talent and, in some cases, less talent than Jason Campbell has over the course of their respective careers. There's no disputing that.

The naysayers can point to McNabb's age and his inability to win the Super Bowl as reasons why the Skins shouldn't do it. As far as McNabb's age goes, top tier quarterbacks are playing well into their thirties nowadays and being very productive while they're at it. In terms of does this make the Skins a Super Bowl contender, well probably not. But we know for sure they aren't under Campbell either. My biggest issue with Campbell is that his stats are deceiving. Good enough to keep him around, but not bad enough to flat out dump him.

If --and it's a big f*cken if-- the front office pulls the trigger on this deal, there's likely a two to three year window and after that they cut their losses. But for what's on it's worth, I'm on the record saying that JC is outta here come by draft day if not before.
Well, the three years that McNabb has been above average as a passer, has he not had a pro bowl receiver in each year? Terrell Owens, then Donte Stallworth, then DeSean Jackson. Well, I looked it up and Stallworth didn't make it to pro bowl in 2006. But who has Campbell thrown to that's gone to a pro bowl? Just Cooley (the Westbrook equivalent in our offense), and he's going to help you move the chains, and he'll score from inside the red zone, but he can't generate the big plays that make McNabb look good like those guys.

I'd agree with you that McNabb's had a perfectly successful career outside of those years, however, it's been decisively middle tier. In 2008, he broke form and won two playoff games, ultimately helping Brent Celek emerge as an above average NFL TE, and I'm not a playoff-loss-detractor by any means because losing in the playoffs would mean being in the playoffs. And I freely admit Campbell's resume would look better with some playoff losses on in.

This isn't a resume comparison though. It's a stupid trade rumor that's going to blow over in a few days, but it's stupid because collecting mid-tier quarterbacks does not improve a crappy offense, ergo, collecting Donovan McNabb equivalents does not improve the Redskins offense, no matter how much more he deserves from Philly fans who stupidly booed him on draft day and never really gave it a rest.
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Old 04-04-2010, 03:33 AM   #63
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I would give the Eagles a 7th rd pick for McNabb and see If I could get a 3rd pick for Jason. If I could get a 3rd pick for JC than I would pick Bradford if he was there with the 4th pick. If Bradford is gone than try to trade down and get another pick ( 2nd or 3rd) take Clausen with the 1st rd pick. 2nd pick or picks draft OL, 3rd pick LB and rest of draft best players available. McNabb has only 1 year left on his contract so if we take him its for just 1 season unless we think he can play a few more years until our rookie QB is ready. I say just keep JC and see how he plays this season unless you can get a 2nd or 3rd pick for JC.
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Old 04-04-2010, 03:38 AM   #64
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Well, the three years that McNabb has been above average as a passer, has he not had a pro bowl receiver in each year? Terrell Owens, then Donte Stallworth, then DeSean Jackson. Well, I looked it up and Stallworth didn't make it to pro bowl in 2006. But who has Campbell thrown to that's gone to a pro bowl? Just Cooley (the Westbrook equivalent in our offense), and he's going to help you move the chains, and he'll score from inside the red zone, but he can't generate the big plays that make McNabb look good like those guys.

I'd agree with you that McNabb's had a perfectly successful career outside of those years, however, it's been decisively middle tier. In 2008, he broke form and won two playoff games, ultimately helping Brent Celek emerge as an above average NFL TE, and I'm not a playoff-loss-detractor by any means because losing in the playoffs would mean being in the playoffs. And I freely admit Campbell's resume would look better with some playoff losses on in.

This isn't a resume comparison though. It's a stupid trade rumor that's going to blow over in a few days, but it's stupid because collecting mid-tier quarterbacks does not improve a crappy offense, ergo, collecting Donovan McNabb equivalents does not improve the Redskins offense, no matter how much more he deserves from Philly fans who stupidly booed him on draft day and never really gave it a rest.
The fact that it's a rumor at all and that we're now working on the sixth page of this thread says a lot if you ask me. There's just not a lot of confidence in Jason Campbell at Redskins Park.

In terms of the T.O., Stallworth, et. al. comparison, well, Jason Campbell has played more games with Clinton Portis, Chris Cooley, and Santana Moss than McNabb has with all of the above. Both T.O. and Stallworth have only played one full season as Eagles, and DeSean Jackson just completed his second. So while they are Pro Bowl material, the fact still remains that McNabb was constantly adjusting to the talent around him, played with an oft injured Westbrook, and a make-shift offensive line, yet still produced multiple playoff appearances.

But I think we're losing sight of the core argument here which, in my opinion, isn't a statistical one, as you've noted. I have no idea what the possible motives are behind floating something like this, but if this is a serious rumor the Redskins are looking at making a playoff run by bringing McNabb to D.C. There's no other way to look at it. And thus far, with as many excuses we can provide, Jason Campbell has yet to make a playoff appearance.

At the end of the day Jason Campbell doesn't provide a compelling reason, statistically or otherwise, as to why the Redskins should not get rid of him in favor of a quarterback (Donovan McNabb) who's arguably in the final phase of his career.
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If 'Skins Can't Get Bradford, They'd Like McNabb - NFL - Yahoo! Sports Looks like the same old / same old between now and the draft.
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All this talk of McNabb and T.O. possibly becoming Redskins makes me :vomit:.
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All this talk of McNabb and T.O. possibly becoming Redskins makes me :vomit:.
No kidding , lets say no to iggles and cowturds ever wearing the B&G !!!
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I would LOVE McNabb on this team. He could easily play another 4-5 seasons and still be pretty damn good. You've got to be high to not like this potential move. Doubt it will happen, but I would gladly give up a 2nd rounder for him.

Okung with #4, McNabb for our 2nd rounder = no brainer.
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I would LOVE McNabb on this team. He could easily play another 4-5 seasons and still be pretty damn good. You've got to be high to not like this potential move. Doubt it will happen, but I would gladly give up a 2nd rounder for him.

Okung with #4, McNabb for our 2nd rounder = no brainer.
I'll take that to mean you'd have to not have a brain to make that deal. We're not the Vikings where all you need is a QB better than Jackson or Rosenfels to be a Super Bowl team. A 33 year old QB who has had a pretty good defense his entire career and a HC who makes the o-line a priority and a pretty good back in Westbrook should have had a pretty good career. Hell, they even made A.J. Feeley look good enough to get a big contract. He can keep throwing the ball in the dirt in Philly. No thank you.
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I would LOVE McNabb on this team. He could easily play another 4-5 seasons and still be pretty damn good. You've got to be high to not like this potential move. Doubt it will happen, but I would gladly give up a 2nd rounder for him.

Okung with #4, McNabb for our 2nd rounder = no brainer.
I don't get high so ..... I must like the move . Whoever leads this team , I just hope they lead us to many wins , and a V. Lombardi Trophy or two .
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Old 04-04-2010, 10:21 AM   #71
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Here is the bottom line, Philly under McNabb has dominated the NFC East. It isn't even close. JC has accomplished nothing, and I mean NOTHING. He hasn't won any meaningful regular season games. He has won no divisions. He hasn't been to the playoffs, let alone win a playoff game. He has been to zero NFC Championship games and from a statistical perspective JC is way below the mean from a winning percentage as a starting QB. Do we need to bring up Pro-Bowls?
Actually, the pro-bowls are the only thing that count to me. You go to a pro-bowl and about 85% of the reason is ALL YOU. If you got to the playoffs or get to /win the big one, that's a team effort thing.

A lot of people make the mistake of lumping win and lost columns into the QB's stats. Wake up guys. Tom Brady has never won a superbowl. The kicker that won each of those games has more rings than he does you know. Vinatieri made the 45 yarder to tie, and a 25 yarder to win brady's first ring. Final play in the win against the rams? Another 48 yarder from Adam. The man has 20 last minute field goal wins that too many people give Tom Brady the credit for. Stop giving QB's all the credit!

As for Donovan having done more with less, he has never HAD less!?! Seriously, Until you have a comparably bad o-line, a bad coach, a revolving door of crappy kickers, and an 80 year old veteran with less experience than you as a back-up, then you are in a better situation. McNabb is in an offense BUILT around his abilities, has always had a good to awesome o-line, and has usualy had as good or better receivers.

Also, please stop saying that jason hasn't had the big win or big this or that because Jason's play has not been the steady factor in our losses. Once again, against the Saints he completed 30 of 42 for 367 yards. The man avoided getting sacked the whole game and had a passer rating of 111.9 but his 3 touchdown passes meant NOTHING because Sellers fumbled the ball in overtime! Without Portis, our running game was, once again crap. He had to carry the team on his own, getting beaten up and thrown to the ground after every other throw. The big win was snatched away from his magical QB rating column thanks to Sellers. Yes, i can go to the interception that was fumbled and other things that happened, but i'm talking about our last posession in overtime.

I will get over it if McNabb takes the reigns, but i would rather give JC what it takes to win and watch the man go.
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You guys are funny. The whole thing might just be to see what they want for McNabb so they can expect what to get from trading JC. Sort of an intelligence gathering operation for further use. McNabb is not the best in the league by far, and is indeed just above average like JC, and he had a much better WR corp than JC to work with. I would worry more about JC being future trade bait in the not too distant future. Look for a possible deal come draft time.
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SmootSmack has repeatedly said that we should expect some personnel head-scratchers from MS. If this is anything more than a passing check for value, this would be a head-scratcher to me. Nothing against McNabb but the Eagles might not do this cheap and we are in prime position to land a young QB, so wtf?
I'm thinking more in terms of a draft weekend head scratcher like trading our trading our 2nd and 4th picks to move up into the bottom of the 1st to make sure we get Colt McCoy. That kind of thing.

As far as I know, there's no serious interest in getting McNabb. And if I was McNabb, I'd actually be pretty pissed if the Eagles traded me to the Redskins. Yeah Donovan, we appreciate all you've done for us, we want to put you someplace you're happy, we totally respect you...but not so much that we mind playing you twice a year.
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Getting McNabb would be a huge mistake. I just hope this is just BA f'ing around with other teams. I'm still amazed at how so many fans still think we're one player away from contending. We need to rebuild (starting with the oline) and stop wasting picks on what seems like a quick fix.
Andy Reid is looking to find the best situation for McNabb and I can understand that since he thinks so highly of him. However, I don't think it will be here......neither do I think they're convinced he can still perform at the level they expect from him otherwise they wouldn't be interested in trading him.

McNabb is nowhere close to being the QB he was before suffering injury two years in a row. His legs were always his gratest strength, he's not the threat to run as much anymore, and he's demonstrated he's not totally effective from the pocket.

We need to stop drafting QB's and then cutting them. We would be better served drafting a position player instead of the Brennans' and Palmers who have little or no chance of ever playing.
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I guess this had nothing to do with our "sorry ass" O line protecting him?
Right. it DIDN'T! Jason Campbell was punished throught the game. He threw the ball away as he got smashed a few times and when he did make completions, he ususally didn't get to see them since he was on his butt with a saint on him.

you can't say the Saints happened to have a bad game cuz Brees threw over 400 yards. You CAN say that they had better field position and our defense did their job. You CAN say that we had BAD field position and no punt returns.

As for the Barry Sanders analogy... you are retarded to use aguably the greatest runningback of all time as an analogy, but sure I'll bite. Lets give him the same win-loss column and see where he stands. lets blame HIM for them not making the playoffs. if you blame him the way you do JC, then he and Barry Sanders both fall into the "Good, but not quite enough" category.

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