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Old 04-05-2010, 04:43 PM   #166
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This is how I see the oline right now
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LG Dockery
C Rabach
RG M. Williams
RT A. Hicks

not a bad line especially if we find a way to trade back into the 3rd and get Matt Tenant.
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Old 04-05-2010, 04:46 PM   #167
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I myself am happy with this trade. When was the last time we had an "old washed up quarterback?" Mark Brunell... He was more successful than both Campbell and Ramsey (two young quarterbacks) while wearing burgundy and gold. I'd much rather put my team on the shoulders of Donovan McNabb a proven veteran than a young and unproven Sam Bradford. Plus this gives the Skins an opportunity to take a ready to start left tackle in Okung with the fourth pick.
Now that we're not going to draft him I'm going to go on record as saying that Bradford is Alex Smith 2.0. I posted this before but I really want people to see the similarities.

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Strengths: Is as good as it gets from an intangibles standpoint. Is an outstanding leader  both in terms of vocally and by example. An extremely hard worker  on the field, in the classroom and in the weight room. Is the most cerebral quarterback in this class. Has an outstanding feel for the game, makes few mistakes and understands the importance of ball security. Is one of the most competitive prospects in this class. A "gym-rat" type that just loves playing the game. Has sound mechanics. Delivery is quick and his release point is high. Is a tall QB that rarely has a ball batted down. Does an excellent job of finding throwing windows. Is at his best on short-to-intermediate routes. Has excellent timing and touch. Displays outstanding field vision. Understands how to make a pre-snap read and does a great job of picking up the blitz. Will make his progression reads, shows patience in the pocket and also does a good job of finding open receivers on the move after the original play has broken down. Has very good mobility. Shows quick feet and is fluid. Has a terrific pocket presence. Shows good balance and body control, especially for a taller athlete. Is a threat to run. Doesn't possess Mike Vick's type of explosiveness but has above average speed. Reminds us of a young Brett Favre -- shows some elusiveness and a lot of toughness as a runner. Good vision and a great feel for where the first down markers are. Is mechanically sound and accurate when throwing on the run.

Weaknesses: Arm strength is adequate but not good. Still needs to improve his overall bulk and strength. He can make most of the NFL throws but won't be able to fit the ball into tight spots that many starting NFL quarterbacks can. Very similar to Chad Pennington (Jets) in this area. If there's one facet of his accuracy that is inconsistent it is the deep ball. Ball occasionally will sail and he'll need to improve his timing in order to be successful throwing downfield in the NFL. He spent most of his time in the shotgun and in a spread offense. He will need to learn to read defenses while dropping from under center. He also will need to prove that he's not a "system QB", as he played in an offense that was wide-open and made a lot of the reads very easy for him.
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Old 04-05-2010, 04:48 PM   #168
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Well, I was waiting for the final act, which figures to involve fire in some way.
Tripp what did you think about the Brunell trade? I think Gibbs gave Jacksonville a 3rd rounder. What was your opinion on that one? You seemed to be in Brunell's corner even though his skills were in decline. I think Brunell was around the same age as McNabb is when he was traded here.
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This is how I see the oline right now
LT Draft Pick
LG Dockery
C Rabach
RG M. Williams
RT A. Hicks

not a bad line especially if we find a way to trade back into the 3rd and get Matt Tenant.
it could still be a bad line. we don't know how the draft pick is going to perform. also williams is just too slow and can't pass protect. rabach isn't very good and i don't know anything about hicks.
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Old 04-05-2010, 04:52 PM   #170
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This is how I see the oline right now
LT Draft Pick
LG Dockery
C Rabach
RG M. Williams
RT A. Hicks

not a bad line especially if we find a way to trade back into the 3rd and get Matt Tenant.
I thought they are projecting Hicks to be at RG?
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Old 04-05-2010, 04:55 PM   #171
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^ They haven't stated what position Hicks will play. He plays both positions.
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Old 04-05-2010, 04:57 PM   #172
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I think this addresses GTripps point about McNabbs decline pretty well.

NFL: The Philadelphia Eagles decided the time was right to trade Donovan McNabb - ESPN
Not really, the article addresses the business issues. The only things about McNabb's performance were the games against Dallas, his completion % (which I already showed was above career avg.), and passing yds (not surprising as McNabb missed two games). If you add 500 yds to his passing yd total for the year he winds up at 10th. Let's look at some other 2009 McNabb stats:

- TD % = 9th
- INT % = 8th
- QB rate = 12th
- Yds / Att = 7th
- Adjusted Net Yds / per ATT = 10th
- Yds / Game = 10th

This whole decline thing is BS, this was a business move and long term strategy move by the Iggles. Not considering McNabb's leadership and mobility which make him more valuable, we're getting a top 10 passing QB for a 2nd rounder and a mid-round pick in 2011. Good deal for the Skins.

I don't care what ridiculous geometric/triangulation/5th-week-of-the- season-away-on-astroturf metrics Football Outsiders or GTripp throws out here. McNabb led his team to the playoffs the last two years and was 11-5 last year. The Eagles lost to New Orleans (SB Champ), Chargers (AFC Championship game), and Dallas (playoff team who Eagles don't match up well against) and the Raiders (????) and were 5th in scoring with McNabb at QB.
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Old 04-05-2010, 04:59 PM   #173
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Thats fine but if someone think that Reid did this for McNabb then I have a nice bridge for sale.
Yeah, I mean personally I think that he wanted McNabb to go to somewhere good for him, but obviously Reid's choice wouldn't have been Washington. Reid may know he's on thin ice and soon to be out of the division too.
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Old 04-05-2010, 05:02 PM   #174
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So that means we will have one player we know can play solid. Dockery. Two not good players. Rabach and Williams, and two unknowns. Hicks and draftee. I would say that's not that promising. I am really hoping we trade down and pick up two OL in the first round if possible or at worst first and early second depending on what kind of a deal we get for trading out of #4
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Old 04-05-2010, 05:03 PM   #175
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Yeah, I mean personally I think that he wanted McNabb to go to somewhere good for him, but obviously Reid's choice wouldn't have been Washington. Reid may know he's on thin ice and soon to be out of the division too.
Reid wanted McNabb to stay in Philly, now his career is on Kevin Kolb's shoulder. And I doubt they'll have the same success he's had with McNabb in the past two seasons.
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Old 04-05-2010, 05:06 PM   #176
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I believe the article 53Fan linked to also says the trade makes the Redskins instantly better

Also,

-Philly receivers dropped 26 passes last year (7th most in the NFL)
-McNabb 8 TDs, 3 INTs passes of 21+ yards last year (5th in NFL)
-McNabb: 63 completions 30+yards last three years (3rd in NFL)
-McNabb: 17 completions 40+yards last year (T-1st in NFL)

As long as we're just spitting out stats
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I think that Thomas can do for us at least what Maclin did for the Eagles last year but I'd take Jackson numbers as well. And yeah there were quite a few drops from what I can remember, particularly over the middle if I recall but man I have a hard enough time remembering plays from a game that I just watched.
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Old 04-05-2010, 05:22 PM   #178
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Not really, the article addresses the business issues. The only things about McNabb's performance were the games against Dallas, his completion % (which I already showed was above career avg.), and passing yds (not surprising as McNabb missed two games). If you add 500 yds to his passing yd total for the year he winds up at 10th. Let's look at some other 2009 McNabb stats:

- TD % = 9th
- INT % = 8th
- QB rate = 12th
- Yds / Att = 7th
- Adjusted Net Yds / per ATT = 10th
- Yds / Game = 10th

This whole decline thing is BS, this was a business move and long term strategy move by the Iggles. Not considering McNabb's leadership and mobility which make him more valuable, we're getting a top 10 passing QB for a 2nd rounder and a mid-round pick in 2011. Good deal for the Skins.

I don't care what ridiculous geometric/triangulation/5th-week-of-the- season-away-on-astroturf metrics Football Outsiders or GTripp throws out here. McNabb led his team to the playoffs the last two years and was 11-5 last year. The Eagles lost to New Orleans (SB Champ), Chargers (AFC Championship game), and Dallas (playoff team who Eagles don't match up well against) and the Raiders (????) and were 5th in scoring with McNabb at QB.
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If the Eagles did not think he was on the decline and had 4-5 years left they simply would extend his contract as he asked for and trade Kolb. In the same situation this year would the Colts trade Manning if they had Kolb? I don't think so. The last couple of years McNabb has been inconsistent and they know it.
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Ok, so about T+20 hours. I still don't like it, but reports are that the Skins/McNabb are working to get an extension. Campbell should be traded for an "acceptable" pick. So, without switching to a "Yes" I will say if the following things occur, I will feel MUCH better:

A) DM signs a 4-5 year deal for "reasonable" money, 4-5 is simply so we aren't playing around with him anymore. Should be set in a way that after year 3 he is easily cuttable.

B) JC is traded for at least a 3rd in this year's draft.

C) We win a SB
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Ok, so about T+20 hours. I still don't like it, but reports are that the Skins/McNabb are working to get an extension. Campbell should be traded for an "acceptable" pick. So, without switching to a "Yes" I will say if the following things occur, I will feel MUCH better:

A) DM signs a 4-5 year deal for "reasonable" money, 4-5 is simply so we aren't playing around with him anymore. Should be set in a way that after year 3 he is easily cuttable.

B) JC is traded for at least a 3rd in this year's draft.

C) We win a SB
Your'e not asking for much, huh? LOL.
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