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Old 04-05-2010, 05:57 PM   #181
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I think this addresses GTripps point about McNabbs decline pretty well.

NFL: The Philadelphia Eagles decided the time was right to trade Donovan McNabb - ESPN
Not really, the article addresses the business issues. The only things about McNabb's performance were the games against Dallas, his completion % (which I already showed was above career avg.), and passing yds (not surprising as McNabb missed two games). If you add 500 yds to his passing yd total for the year he winds up at 10th. Let's look at some other 2009 McNabb stats:

- TD % = 9th
- INT % = 8th
- QB rate = 12th
- Yds / Att = 7th
- Adjusted Net Yds / per ATT = 10th
- Yds / Game = 10th

This whole decline thing is BS, this was a business move and long term strategy move by the Iggles. Not considering McNabb's leadership and mobility which make him more valuable, we're getting a top 10 passing QB for a 2nd rounder and a mid-round pick in 2011. Good deal for the Skins.

I don't care what ridiculous geometric/triangulation/5th-week-of-the- season-away-on-astroturf metrics Football Outsiders or GTripp throws out here. McNabb led his team to the playoffs the last two years and was 11-5 last year. The Eagles lost to New Orleans (SB Champ), Chargers (AFC Championship game), and Dallas (playoff team who Eagles don't match up well against) and the Raiders (????) and were 5th in scoring with McNabb at QB.
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Old 04-05-2010, 05:59 PM   #182
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Thats fine but if someone think that Reid did this for McNabb then I have a nice bridge for sale.
Yeah, I mean personally I think that he wanted McNabb to go to somewhere good for him, but obviously Reid's choice wouldn't have been Washington. Reid may know he's on thin ice and soon to be out of the division too.
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Old 04-05-2010, 06:02 PM   #183
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So that means we will have one player we know can play solid. Dockery. Two not good players. Rabach and Williams, and two unknowns. Hicks and draftee. I would say that's not that promising. I am really hoping we trade down and pick up two OL in the first round if possible or at worst first and early second depending on what kind of a deal we get for trading out of #4
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Old 04-05-2010, 06:03 PM   #184
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Yeah, I mean personally I think that he wanted McNabb to go to somewhere good for him, but obviously Reid's choice wouldn't have been Washington. Reid may know he's on thin ice and soon to be out of the division too.
Reid wanted McNabb to stay in Philly, now his career is on Kevin Kolb's shoulder. And I doubt they'll have the same success he's had with McNabb in the past two seasons.
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Old 04-05-2010, 06:06 PM   #185
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I believe the article 53Fan linked to also says the trade makes the Redskins instantly better

Also,

-Philly receivers dropped 26 passes last year (7th most in the NFL)
-McNabb 8 TDs, 3 INTs passes of 21+ yards last year (5th in NFL)
-McNabb: 63 completions 30+yards last three years (3rd in NFL)
-McNabb: 17 completions 40+yards last year (T-1st in NFL)

As long as we're just spitting out stats
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Old 04-05-2010, 06:10 PM   #186
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I think that Thomas can do for us at least what Maclin did for the Eagles last year but I'd take Jackson numbers as well. And yeah there were quite a few drops from what I can remember, particularly over the middle if I recall but man I have a hard enough time remembering plays from a game that I just watched.
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Old 04-05-2010, 06:22 PM   #187
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Not really, the article addresses the business issues. The only things about McNabb's performance were the games against Dallas, his completion % (which I already showed was above career avg.), and passing yds (not surprising as McNabb missed two games). If you add 500 yds to his passing yd total for the year he winds up at 10th. Let's look at some other 2009 McNabb stats:

- TD % = 9th
- INT % = 8th
- QB rate = 12th
- Yds / Att = 7th
- Adjusted Net Yds / per ATT = 10th
- Yds / Game = 10th

This whole decline thing is BS, this was a business move and long term strategy move by the Iggles. Not considering McNabb's leadership and mobility which make him more valuable, we're getting a top 10 passing QB for a 2nd rounder and a mid-round pick in 2011. Good deal for the Skins.

I don't care what ridiculous geometric/triangulation/5th-week-of-the- season-away-on-astroturf metrics Football Outsiders or GTripp throws out here. McNabb led his team to the playoffs the last two years and was 11-5 last year. The Eagles lost to New Orleans (SB Champ), Chargers (AFC Championship game), and Dallas (playoff team who Eagles don't match up well against) and the Raiders (????) and were 5th in scoring with McNabb at QB.
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If the Eagles did not think he was on the decline and had 4-5 years left they simply would extend his contract as he asked for and trade Kolb. In the same situation this year would the Colts trade Manning if they had Kolb? I don't think so. The last couple of years McNabb has been inconsistent and they know it.
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Ok, so about T+20 hours. I still don't like it, but reports are that the Skins/McNabb are working to get an extension. Campbell should be traded for an "acceptable" pick. So, without switching to a "Yes" I will say if the following things occur, I will feel MUCH better:

A) DM signs a 4-5 year deal for "reasonable" money, 4-5 is simply so we aren't playing around with him anymore. Should be set in a way that after year 3 he is easily cuttable.

B) JC is traded for at least a 3rd in this year's draft.

C) We win a SB
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Ok, so about T+20 hours. I still don't like it, but reports are that the Skins/McNabb are working to get an extension. Campbell should be traded for an "acceptable" pick. So, without switching to a "Yes" I will say if the following things occur, I will feel MUCH better:

A) DM signs a 4-5 year deal for "reasonable" money, 4-5 is simply so we aren't playing around with him anymore. Should be set in a way that after year 3 he is easily cuttable.

B) JC is traded for at least a 3rd in this year's draft.

C) We win a SB
Your'e not asking for much, huh? LOL.
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Old 04-05-2010, 06:34 PM   #191
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Decline or not, Donovan McNabb is the best quarterback the Redskins have had in decades.
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Old 04-05-2010, 06:39 PM   #192
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not a good read... mosely is a known Cowboy fan.
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So that means we will have one player we know can play solid. Dockery. Two not good players. Rabach and Williams, and two unknowns. Hicks and draftee. I would say that's not that promising. I am really hoping we trade down and pick up two OL in the first round if possible or at worst first and early second depending on what kind of a deal we get for trading out of #4
we'll never get two first round picks from a team -_-
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Ok, so about T+20 hours. I still don't like it, but reports are that the Skins/McNabb are working to get an extension. Campbell should be traded for an "acceptable" pick. So, without switching to a "Yes" I will say if the following things occur, I will feel MUCH better:

A) DM signs a 4-5 year deal for "reasonable" money, 4-5 is simply so we aren't playing around with him anymore. Should be set in a way that after year 3 he is easily cuttable.

B) JC is traded for at least a 3rd in this year's draft.

C) We win a SB
i would hope that would make you feel better
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Decline or not, Donovan McNabb is the best quarterback the Redskins have had in decades.
Agreed, But i still wont believe this happened until i see McNabb under Center in the B&G.
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