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Old 04-05-2010, 01:29 PM   #46
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Old 04-05-2010, 01:30 PM   #47
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I think if someone like the Ravens or Dolphins started talking picks or players for McNabb, Schefter and or Glazer would have had the scoop almost instantly.

Kicking the tires is fine, and something I expected most teams to do. I think we went a little overboard in terms of checking all of our bases.
Not necessarily, these guys sit on rumors all the time until/unless the time is right
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Old 04-05-2010, 01:31 PM   #48
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LOL at your user title.
Your post about having mandatory dodgeball practice was legendary. Had to pay my respects
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Look no further than the injury record for disproof of your statement.

All I'm saying is that the decline signs are readily available for anyone who's interested in looking at them. QB rating kind of obscures it a bit, but most other stats suggest that the decline phase for McNabb is entering year three now. Which means that the steady consistent production he's become known for is the next thing to go.

Again, you're not getting a prediction from me whether or not he will crash in 2010 or not. I have no ability to accurately tell you which players will have good years and which will not. I can tell you that the point at which McNabb can't even get an NFL job is fewer than three years away. He won't be in the league when he's 37, as he's just not that kind of player, physically.
Obviously those injuries did not affect his QB play which is what we're talking about. We're talking about his ability as a quarterback in comparison to Mark Brunell.

And that never stopped you from making predictions such as Colt McCoy being better than McNabb in 2011, Vince Young being better than McNabb, that Brady Quinn was the next Peyton Manning, and so on.
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Old 04-05-2010, 01:31 PM   #50
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WOW WHAT????!?!!!!
I just got home from a trip to Ottawa check my espn/nfl/etc. and see this? Mike Shanahan you can just leave now man, you've already done enough! What a great trade!!
My heads spinning in circles just imaging a Mcnabb to Santana Moss 80 yard TD. I think the redskins have just locked up atleast a 7-9 record season.
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Old 04-05-2010, 01:33 PM   #51
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Kyle Orton, Chad Henne, Joe Flacco, Alex Smith, Matt Leinart, whatever's going on in Minnesota these days.

Mild interest in McNabb at best from those organizations.
Mild interest cause some of those teams aren't serious about winning. They're not going to do everything it takes to win. Pulling off a trade like this takes balls and it takes people in the FO that REALLY want to win. If SF makes a trade for McNabb ( gives up their 1st rounder) they're the outright favorite to take their division. Instead they're going to go with a below average QB that's done nothing since he's been in the NFL. Arizona lets Rolle and Dansby walk cause they don't want to pay anyone. And WTF is Denver thinking? They've got some real solid skill guys yet they're going to go w/ Orton and Quinn but not make a play on McNabb?? Snyder has done some shitty moves over the years but I will never question his will to win. And these guys...Shanahan and Allen didn't come here to make the playoffs. They're thinking Super Bowl. I respect that and I trust them. We'll see if they're going about it the right way.
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Your post about having mandatory dodgeball practice was legendary. Had to pay my respects
The fact that it was true doesn't make it any less ridiculous, I suppose.

But seriously, the McNabb deal is that big of a story. It makes College Dodgeball seem kinda irrelevant.
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Hey guys, hey guys. Does anyone think the Eagles sent McNabb a "Dear Don" letter when they traded him. Jajajajaja
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Obviously those injuries did not affect his QB play which is what we're talking about. We're talking about his ability as a quarterback in comparison to Mark Brunell.

And that never stopped you from making predictions such as Colt McCoy being better than McNabb in 2011, Vince Young being better than McNabb, that Brady Quinn was the next Peyton Manning, and so on.
Or you know, that Jason Taylor wouldn't work out, the Bears overpaid preposterously for Cutler, neither Stafford or Sanchez was worth a top five pick, Orakpo would be a stud, Devin Thomas would stink, etc, Jamarcus Russell had no chance of success, etc.

Should I keep going? Or are you ready to drop this foolish charade.
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Obviously those injuries did not affect his QB play which is what we're talking about. We're talking about his ability as a quarterback in comparison to Mark Brunell.
Paid more, got less.

Brunell was asked to come here, be smart with the football, and pretty much just go through the motions. McNabb will be asked to go out and win games for us. Completely different situations which will have very different results.
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The more people I talk to it really seems like Reid genuinely wanted to do right by McNabb, even if it meant trading him within the division. I think he was strong-armed a bit by the new GM and ownership to move McNabb (even though Reid does have final say, and it seems he would have rather moved Kolb...well probably Vick most ideally).

It also has me thinking maybe Reid figures this is his last season in the NFC East anyway
He just didn't look right at his presser last night. And the owner seems very fond of McNabb. I know his deal is up after this year but I just guess they felt it was time for Kolb to get on the field.
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Also I think this trade is a clear indicator that the Shannahan's think JC has a piece missing from his overall QB makeup that is not at all fixable.
Probably the most likely case.
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Trade Landry.

Trade Campbell.

Pray that Okung falls to #4 or move back.

Must build a proper offensive line.
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Or you know, that Jason Taylor wouldn't work out, the Bears overpaid preposterously for Cutler, neither Stafford or Sanchez was worth a top five pick, Orakpo would be a stud, Devin Thomas would stink, etc, Jamarcus Russell had no chance of success, etc.

Should I keep going? Or are you ready to drop this foolish charade.
You can keep going, but it doesn't change the fact that you are often wrong despite the high horse you sit on.
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I don't know why you think that getting a QB who is incapable of producing when he throws 45+ times a game is so self-evidently awesome, and I think if you want to show that McNabb can benefit by inheriting a running game that, if nothing else, will take a lot of his passing attempts, you should try to go and build that case.

So far, I'm gathering that you think it's easier for any QB to be successful in the Shanahan system than in other systems. Anyone except Jason Campbell, of course, because that would completely ruin your already "interesting" argument.

I kind of agree with you that McNabb is a little bit out of place in the stat-inflating system that is the WCO. I'm sure glad that he's in a system now that has limited WCO elements. Oh, wait.
You're good at assuming shit about people who disagree with you. Too good. But DON'T go around recklessly using inference from simulation of what of anti-Campbell dumbasses argue is representative of what I think can work or not work in Shanahan's offense.

Alex Smith would not work in this O, because he's too much tied to the spread offense.
Orton and Pennington would not work as well because they can't attack the deep secondary, which in turns limits what Shanahan can exploit.
Brett Farve would be better than McNabb in this O. Just as good ability to attack deep, but better on the intermediate and shorter throws(quick slant).
Jason Campbell is woefully inconsistent. Throws that should be routine are a chore to him, and he has shown very little that he has other skills to adequately compensate.

Is that sufficient for you to stop calumniating me in that I think ANY(YES, YOU SAID ANY, which means all I have to do is mention JUST ONE example of where another QB would stink it up with Shanahan, and I mentioned three) QB is better than JC.

This isn't about stats. This is about McNabb's skillset. And I love to see your crazy argument that a one-dimensional offense doesn't inhibit the QB. Having a running game makes the probability that the D will bite on play action or think the play is a run MUCH MORE OFTEN.

Steve Deberg also had inflated stats. That didn't mean Walsh thought he was worth sticking with over Montana.
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