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Old 04-05-2010, 02:06 PM   #76
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Now that it's done, I'm 90% in favor. But the one thing that's been on my mind is pick #37 this year. In the long run, wouldn't it have been better to take the two best offensive tackles in the 1st and 2nd knowing how horrific the line was last year?

Doesn't matter anymore though.
The OT at #37 may not have been worth selecting at #37. In other words, we may have just been taking an OT just to take an OT in that scenario
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WOW WHAT????!?!!!!
I just got home from a trip to Ottawa check my espn/nfl/etc. and see this? Mike Shanahan you can just leave now man, you've already done enough! What a great trade!!
My heads spinning in circles just imaging a Mcnabb to Santana Moss 80 yard TD. I think the redskins have just locked up atleast a 7-9 record season.
If we finish 7-9, I'd call the deal a failure.
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Now that it's done, I'm 90% in favor. But the one thing that's been on my mind is pick #37 this year. In the long run, wouldn't it have been better to take the two best offensive tackles in the 1st and 2nd knowing how horrific the line was last year?

Doesn't matter anymore though.
Doubt we would have gone tackles back to back though. Shanahan definitely wanted a QB and one of those picks would have probably gone that way.
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The OT at #37 may not have been worth selecting at #37. In other words, we may have just been taking an OT just to take an OT in that scenario
I'm thinking the value pick there probably would have been a defensive guy, if not one of the three first-round RBs.
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If we finish 7-9, I'd call the deal a failure.
Really, I'd call it a success. DM isnt going to come in and make them a 12 game winner.
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That's the point. You were reluctant to make a prediction, when that's all you seem to do.

By the way, please stop claiming things are so "obvious" or trying to assert opinions as fact. It doesn't work, unless you have a credible record, which you don't.
I mean, I really don't think you are the person who should be judging my credibility. No offense.

I do think there is some value in your statement. When I'm writing fast, I tend to claim things to be obvious, when I actually mean to point out that the information is freely available. Those things are not synonymous, and it's a fallacy on my part to use them as such.
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Old 04-05-2010, 02:13 PM   #82
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Let's not turn this into a Tripp vs. thread. We're talking about McNabb and what we all think of the trade, not Tripp's opinion of it.
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I mean, I really don't think you are the person who should be judging my credibility. No offense.

I do think there is some value in your statement. When I'm writing fast, I tend to claim things to be obvious, when I actually mean to point out that the information is freely available. Those things are not synonymous, and it's a fallacy on my part to use them as such.
Either way, you still have a lot of explaining to do.

I'll give you one to start with, and maybe you can type slower to make sure you don't commit anymore fallacies.

What "winning organizations" were interested in Kurt Warner, Drew Brees, and Brett Favre that makes you believe the lack of perceived interest from "winning organizations" in Donovan McNabb is indicative of anything?
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Let's turn this into a Tripp vs. thread. We're talking about McNabb and what we all think of the trade, not Tripp's opinion of it.
I would have kept the pick and given Philly the finger.
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Old 04-05-2010, 02:16 PM   #85
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Burden of proof is on you, dude. It's your claim that Reid's offense was so unbalanced that it make McNabb's job difficult, not mine. As a hypothesis, I think it's legit, but you might as well put "I think" before it because I don't have to agree with every distant assumption you make, just like you don't have to agree with the way I use completion percentage and sack rate to show value.

In the absence of personal expertise on what makes the Shanahan offense click, your entire argument is valueless. You critique me for appealing to my own expertise, but I'm very forthright in where I'm deriving my opinions. You just write stuff seemingly to make me read it.
Yes, you back off like a little coward once your "moral superiority" assumption against me went down the drain, now did it?

Then you seem unable to comprehend that every play's outcome can be broken down into two categories: Success or failure.

Running the ball effectively forces the opponent to call anti-pass plays with greater reservation, thus increasing the probability that when a pass play is called, the opponent will have an unsuitable defense to deal with it and a big play will occur.
Sure, you could have enough talent that you'll hit a big one, but the chance of that is still lower since the opponent can commit everything to just stopping the pass via blitz, double coverage, bracket coverage. Run the ball effectively, and the opponent has to commit their linebackers and quite possibly more just to stop the RB, which leaves means the CBs will be stuck in man or something more often, which in turn can be exploited by running a passing play out of the same formation. The opponent now has to guess, and one wrong guess can mean the difference in the game.
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yeah, i wanted to talk aobut mcnabb this morning. . . now, after this cock measuring contest, im kinda tired out on the subject already. freak it, i got work to do or im gonna be working all night.
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Load of economic counterincetives, not lack of ability is why they didn't sell the farm for him.
Oh right, Bretto Favrah the system QB who made that O explode is simply not going to come back. A 99% success rate with quick slants is better than the 60% of JC17
Alex Smith, spread system QB extrodinaire and huge investment given a second chance.
Henne, don't know.
Orton, scheme-fit for McDaniels' ball-control Patriot-lite offense.
Arizona? Screw Arizona. Signing D. Anderson is more than enough to show that they can't really tell a good QB from a bad one.

Then there's McNabb's PERSONAL incentive. He WANTED to be here and wasn't going to have it any other way.
In all fairness, given the choices of Buffalo, Oakland, or even the Rams, I'd want to come here too. McNabb wanted to come here to pay back Philly, unfortunately we play 14 other games besides the Philly games.
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Yes, you back off like a little coward once your "moral superiority" assumption against me went down the drain, now did it?

Then you seem unable to comprehend that every play's outcome can be broken down into two categories: Success or failure.

Running the ball effectively forces the opponent to call anti-pass plays with greater reservation, thus increasing the probability that when a pass play is called, the opponent will have an unsuitable defense to deal with it and a big play will occur.
Sure, you could have enough talent that you'll hit a big one, but the chance of that is still lower since the opponent can commit everything to just stopping the pass via blitz, double coverage, bracket coverage. Run the ball effectively, and the opponent has to commit their linebackers and quite possibly more just to stop the RB, which leaves means the CBs will be stuck in man or something more often, which in turn can be exploited by running a passing play out of the same formation. The opponent now has to guess, and one wrong guess can mean the difference in the game.
Okay, well stated. Do you have any actual evidence for these claims, or will a simple "I still think you're overrating the effect of a generic running game commitment on passing efficiency" suffice?

I'm well versed in game-theory, so you can save the lecture. There's obviously some effect of run-pass balance on play efficiency, but I don't think there's a major effect to be found there. Just my opinion.

Also, how many Brownie Points do I get for breaking your composure with just a little bit of logical reasoning? Some? I'll settle for some.
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GD that's ugly. Well at least he's better than JC, for now.
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