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Old 04-13-2010, 08:22 AM   #196
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Rypien: He eent to the Canadian league and toyed with us like Favre did Green bay. Once we got him back, he was out of shape and missed a lot of training and stuff. We didnt have Mr Superbowl man, we had an out of shape canadian and a crappy back-up. Stan, had we kept him, would've been a FAR better follow-up to the QBs we had after Rypien.
Mark Rypien is Canadian, but he never went to the CFL (which is what I think you're saying), or threaten to retire and then come back and then retire again (which is what I think is what you're saying)

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Gannon: Um, in short, yes. I guess you would've gotten rid of Peyton Manning after HIS crappy first year too huh? Look, Every great QB starts out as a new guy that has no NFL game tape to go on. His preseason and the few plays he got in, whatever. All i know is i remember saying, "What the heck!?! What happened to Gannon?" Sorry for not taping tha games he DID play to use as evidence that I thought he was good. the other teams he played for obviously saw what i saw.
Rich Gannon's stats:

Minnesota (1987) 4 games, 0 games started, 0 TD, 1 INT
Minnesota (1988) 3 games, 0 games started, 0 TD, 0 INT
Minnesota (1989) did not play
Minnesota (1990) 14 games, 0 games started, 16 TD, 16 INT
Minnesota (1991) 15 games, 11 started, 12 TD, 6 INT
Minnesota (1992) 12 games, 12 started, 12 TD, 13 INT
Washington (1993) 8 games, 4 started, 3 TD, 7 INT
* NOT ON A ROSTER IN 1994

So where is all this "no game tape to judge him on"?

It's fine that you have your opinion but start basing your opinion on actual real information
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Old 04-13-2010, 11:49 AM   #197
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I honestly dont know if staying out of camp is good or bad for him at this point.

I mean i know why he wouldnt want to be there, and i dont blame him, but if he ends up staying here, that could really factor against him because you know how Shanahan likes active participation. It wouldn't surprise me if Jason is #3 because Shanahan didn't like that Jason wasn't very involved.
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I honestly dont know if staying out of camp is good or bad for him at this point.

I mean i know why he wouldnt want to be there, and i dont blame him, but if he ends up staying here, that could really factor against him because you know how Shanahan likes active participation. It wouldn't surprise me if Jason is #3 because Shanahan didn't like that Jason wasn't very involved.
That will all change as soon as Rex has to step on the field in a real game.

McNabb has to come out, Rex steps in. 2 plays later, Coach Shanahan asks Jason to get loose because Rex can't convert a 3rd and 57.
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I honestly dont know if staying out of camp is good or bad for him at this point.

I mean i know why he wouldnt want to be there, and i dont blame him, but if he ends up staying here, that could really factor against him because you know how Shanahan likes active participation. It wouldn't surprise me if Jason is #3 because Shanahan didn't like that Jason wasn't very involved.
uhhh, shanahan approves of jason staying away. he might have even been the one who suggested campbell stay away: 1) he doesn't want campbell getting hurt and eliminating whatever trade value campbell has left. 2) his presence would be awkward for the team. donovan is the teams leader now and campbells presence would only be a distraction.
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Mark Rypien is Canadian, but he never went to the CFL (which is what I think you're saying), or threaten to retire and then come back and then retire again (which is what I think is what you're saying)

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So where is all this "no game tape to judge him on"?

When it comes to Rypien, I'm just going by what the announcer said then he was out of shape in preseason. I didn't know he was Canadian until they said he considered playing there instead of re-uping with us. Omit it if you want, but you have to admit, he seemed very sluggish until well into the season. At least he did to me.

I wasn't saying that there was not game tape on him, i was replying to someone ELSE who said that by saying that he obviously had done enough if so many other teams signed him. Besides, everyone starts out with no NFL game tape. It's call having a great scouting team and coaching staff. There's more than just stats to see the potential of a man. The same way that a perfect pass, popped up by a guy thinking about AFTER the catch, caught by the corner of the opposing team... that's an interception in the QB's stats. They say that the numbers don't lie, but if you actualy watch the game and pay attention, you know the real deal.
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I guess looking at the numbers, Neither Brad Johnson nor Rich Gannon looked like Superbowl level QB's... but hey, neither did Doug Williams. As the Buc's QB, they went 2-14. Wow... 2 games worse than JC's last season. (since everyone considers the win/loss record as a qb stat)

Rypien's pre-superbowl stats weren't very impressive either. Not horrible, but not, "Holy Crap! This guy's gonn abe a Superbowl NVP some day" looking either.
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Old 04-14-2010, 01:53 AM   #202
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I'm just saying, pryor to his superbowl victory behind an awesome team, his best seasonal rating was 76.8.

His last season before Gibbs brought him here, he threw 9 tds and 11 interceptions. So tell me, Mr Smootsmack... if you look at all the QBs that have won the big one, and just look at stats, are they all Marino and McNabb like?

Lack luster, yet dependable QBs with some "but not necessarily great" comeback abilities like Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer prove that with a great defense and a 'solid' offense, the big games can be won WELL! Great line, Steady QB, solid RBs, and sure handed passing options are all it takes if the defense is top 5.

Joe Theismann played 5 full seasons before throwing more TD's than picks. I guess when Joe Gibbs get here, he should've looked at Joe' sold stats and ignored the gameplay, huh. Judging by his stats, he was NOT a Superbowl winner. Instead of drafting Mark May to solidify the o-line, we should've gotten one of the great QBs available.
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When it comes to Rypien, I'm just going by what the announcer said then he was out of shape in preseason. I didn't know he was Canadian until they said he considered playing there instead of re-uping with us. Omit it if you want, but you have to admit, he seemed very sluggish until well into the season. At least he did to me.
I'll omit that what you said about him going to the CFL because it never happened. Yes, he used it as leverage in negotiations with the Redskins but that's as far as it went

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I wasn't saying that there was not game tape on him, i was replying to someone ELSE who said that by saying that he obviously had done enough if so many other teams signed him. Besides, everyone starts out with no NFL game tape. It's call having a great scouting team and coaching staff. There's more than just stats to see the potential of a man. The same way that a perfect pass, popped up by a guy thinking about AFTER the catch, caught by the corner of the opposing team... that's an interception in the QB's stats. They say that the numbers don't lie, but if you actualy watch the game and pay attention, you know the real deal.
Sigh...kudos to you I guess for having the vision to see that Rich Gannon would have a Peyton-esque season or two in his 10+ years of pedestrian QB play
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I guess looking at the numbers, Neither Brad Johnson nor Rich Gannon looked like Superbowl level QB's... but hey, neither did Doug Williams. As the Buc's QB, they went 2-14. Wow... 2 games worse than JC's last season. (since everyone considers the win/loss record as a qb stat)

Rypien's pre-superbowl stats weren't very impressive either. Not horrible, but not, "Holy Crap! This guy's gonn abe a Superbowl NVP some day" looking either.
Actually, you're wrong about Doug Williams...but that won't stop you from defending your error I suppose
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Rypien: He eent to the Canadian league and toyed with us like Favre did Green bay. Once we got him back, he was out of shape and missed a lot of training and stuff. We didnt have Mr Superbowl man, we had an out of shape canadian and a crappy back-up. Stan, had we kept him, would've been a FAR better follow-up to the QBs we had after Rypien.
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Gannon: Um, in short, yes. I guess you would've gotten rid of Peyton Manning after HIS crappy first year too huh? Look, Every great QB starts out as a new guy that has no NFL game tape to go on. His preseason and the few plays he got in, whatever. All i know is i remember saying, "What the heck!?! What happened to Gannon?" Sorry for not taping tha games he DID play to use as evidence that I thought he was good. the other teams he played for obviously saw what i saw.
Have you sent your resume in to the Skins yet, if I'm correct the scouts' contracts are up shortly after the draft? If you saw Gannon as a SB QB when he was with us...well I'll just say you've got Miss Cleo beat.

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As for the "O-Line isn't a position" statement... that was just stupid and pointless. you watch the movie 'Blindside'? even my WIFE knows the importance of having a monster Tackle on the left side of a right handed QB. (and vice versa) Oh, and in front of any alltime great QB is an inteligent and dependable center. If you think a QB can be great without at least those two things, please, name one great QB that won games while lying on his back.
Glad to see that your depth of football IQ stems from watching The Blindside. What position did Oher play in the movie....was it O-Line? No, it was LT. You mention a Center, different position from LT. Last time I checked, there were 5 positions on the O-Line. QB is a position, a single player, and it is the most important SINGLE POSITION on the field, without question. And we did significantly upgrade this position with the acquisition of McNabb.

Of the five positions on the OL we have a gaping hole at LT, a solid LG, a C whose best days are behind him, but may be a stopgap this year, RG is an unknown (Hicks, Williams, Rinehart) but it should be average or slightly below, RT is probably either Heyer or Levi, again average or slightly below would be my current assesment of the position. We are not going to completely rebuild the OL in a single off-season.

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more like Beneil (hardhead since 87) amirite?
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more like Beneil (hardhead since 87) amirite?
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I made my peace with Beneil months ago. You guys should do the same. He's just a passionate fan. He does have good points from time to time.
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i still don't get what his point actually was and how its relevant to the topic of the thread.
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Hindsight = 20/20.

Have you sent your resume in to the Skins yet, if I'm correct the scouts' contracts are up shortly after the draft? If you saw Gannon as a SB QB when he was with us...well I'll just say you've got Miss Cleo beat.

Glad to see that your depth of football IQ stems from watching The Blindside. What position did Oher play in the movie....was it O-Line? No, it was LT. You mention a Center, different position from LT. Last time I checked, there were 5 positions on the O-Line. QB is a position, a single player, and it is the most important SINGLE POSITION on the field, without question. And we did significantly upgrade this position with the acquisition of McNabb.

Of the five positions on the OL we have a gaping hole at LT, a solid LG, a C whose best days are behind him, but may be a stopgap this year, RG is an unknown (Hicks, Williams, Rinehart) but it should be average or slightly below, RT is probably either Heyer or Levi, again average or slightly below would be my current assesment of the position. We are not going to completely rebuild the OL in a single off-season.
Okay, now you're just TRYING to be mean. I didn't say that IIIII learned from watching The Blind Side. I said any idiot can watch blindside and see how important an OT is. And why is the whole " 'O-line' is not a position" thing even part of your argument!? You're just being aimlessly facitious. My point is obvious. The Center and Tackle opposite the strating QB's throwing arm are the two most important positions to have GREAT PLAYERS in my opinion but as a whole, the ENTIRE OFFENSIVE LINE doesn't need to be AWESOME but have depth. If you disagree on THAT then say your side, but to focus on the fact that O-Line is not the name of a specific position is stupid. You're acting like i said "Oher is the best Center ever!" or something. I said LT was important, then in a seperate sentence i say Center is important, so you put the two together and practicaly call me a moron. Nice. Us Redskins fans are always looking out for eachother.

As for not rebuilding the OL in a single offseason, we pretty much already have. (though not an UPGRADE)
Think. How many O-Linemen did we start with last year and how many of them are here now? The best we had is gone and most of them are new faces. Some that weren't here or starting all year are still around, others retired or got dropped and even the ones that had a few decent games, like Levi Jones, are gone. We ARE rebuilding... just not improving. Your description of our O-Line alone shows that I am right. I guarantee that starting 5 this year won't have but maybe 2 names at the MOST from last year. The bench may have one as well, but i'm calling that a rebuilt o-line... i just hope it's an improvement.

And finally, you cna say 20/20 all you want. The fact is that i only been on this site for so long. If I had a computer when i was a kid and this site was around, i would've been making post after post against losing the players that i mention seeing something in. I was saying it then and I'm typing it now. it sure as heck was NOT hindsight 20/20 on MY behalf. Right now, i'm saying the same thing about Jason Campbell. though I hope we keep him because if our O-LINE POSITIONS aren't drasticly improved, my 'cleo'-like prediction is that McNabb is gonna get hurt behind it and i'd rather have Jason in than Rex. I see a lot in Campbell. If on a team with a decent line, i "predict" HE'LL have a ring before he's done too. Just because you were wrong about players in the past doesn't mean everyone else was too. Some people can look at a short Dolfin receiver that can barely make the #4 spot and say "We should use this little Welker guy with that older has-been who's stinkin' up the Raiders and really make some noise". Then there are people like you who can't see greatness until his stat sheet is filled with wins.
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