Campbell will now stay away from Redskins Park

Beneil (diehard since 87)

I guess looking at the numbers, Neither Brad Johnson nor Rich Gannon looked like Superbowl level QB's... but hey, neither did Doug Williams. As the Buc's QB, they went 2-14. Wow... 2 games worse than JC's last season. (since everyone considers the win/loss record as a qb stat)

Rypien's pre-superbowl stats weren't very impressive either. Not horrible, but not, "Holy Crap! This guy's gonn abe a Superbowl NVP some day" looking either.

Beneil (diehard since 87)

I'm just saying, pryor to his superbowl victory behind an awesome team, his best seasonal rating was 76.8.

His last season before Gibbs brought him here, he threw 9 tds and 11 interceptions. So tell me, Mr Smootsmack... if you look at all the QBs that have won the big one, and just look at stats, are they all Marino and McNabb like?

Lack luster, yet dependable QBs with some "but not necessarily great" comeback abilities like Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer prove that with a great defense and a 'solid' offense, the big games can be won WELL! Great line, Steady QB, solid RBs, and sure handed passing options are all it takes if the defense is top 5.

Joe Theismann played 5 full seasons before throwing more TD's than picks. I guess when Joe Gibbs get here, he should've looked at Joe' sold stats and ignored the gameplay, huh. Judging by his stats, he was NOT a Superbowl winner. Instead of drafting Mark May to solidify the o-line, we should've gotten one of the great QBs available.

SmootSmack

I'll omit that what you said about him going to the CFL because it never happened. Yes, he used it as leverage in negotiations with the Redskins but that's as far as it went

Sigh...kudos to you I guess for having the vision to see that Rich Gannon would have a Peyton-esque season or two in his 10+ years of pedestrian QB play

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SmootSmack

Actually, you're wrong about Doug Williams...but that won't stop you from defending your error I suppose

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Slingin Sammy 33

Hindsight = 20/20.

Have you sent your resume in to the Skins yet, if I'm correct the scouts' contracts are up shortly after the draft? If you saw Gannon as a SB QB when he was with us...well I'll just say you've got Miss Cleo beat.

Glad to see that your depth of football IQ stems from watching The Blindside. What position did Oher play in the movie....was it O-Line? No, it was LT. You mention a Center, different position from LT. Last time I checked, there were 5 positions on the O-Line. QB is a position, a single player, and it is the most important SINGLE POSITION on the field, without question. And we did significantly upgrade this position with the acquisition of McNabb.

Of the five positions on the OL we have a gaping hole at LT, a solid LG, a C whose best days are behind him, but may be a stopgap this year, RG is an unknown (Hicks, Williams, Rinehart) but it should be average or slightly below, RT is probably either Heyer or Levi, again average or slightly below would be my current assesment of the position. We are not going to completely rebuild the OL in a single off-season.

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tryfuhl

more like Beneil (hardhead since 87) amirite?

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SolidSnake84

I made my peace with Beneil months ago. You guys should do the same. He's just a passionate fan. He does have good points from time to time.

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BigHairedAristocrat

i still don't get what his point actually was and how its relevant to the topic of the thread.

Beneil (diehard since 87)

Okay, now you're just TRYING to be mean. I didn't say that IIIII learned from watching The Blind Side. I said any idiot can watch blindside and see how important an OT is. And why is the whole " 'O-line' is not a position" thing even part of your argument!? You're just being aimlessly facitious. My point is obvious. The Center and Tackle opposite the strating QB's throwing arm are the two most important positions to have GREAT PLAYERS in my opinion but as a whole, the ENTIRE OFFENSIVE LINE doesn't need to be AWESOME but have depth. If you disagree on THAT then say your side, but to focus on the fact that O-Line is not the name of a specific position is stupid. You're acting like i said "Oher is the best Center ever!" or something. I said LT was important, then in a seperate sentence i say Center is important, so you put the two together and practicaly call me a moron. Nice. Us Redskins fans are always looking out for eachother.

As for not rebuilding the OL in a single offseason, we pretty much already have. (though not an UPGRADE)
Think. How many O-Linemen did we start with last year and how many of them are here now? The best we had is gone and most of them are new faces. Some that weren't here or starting all year are still around, others retired or got dropped and even the ones that had a few decent games, like Levi Jones, are gone. We ARE rebuilding... just not improving. Your description of our O-Line alone shows that I am right. I guarantee that starting 5 this year won't have but maybe 2 names at the MOST from last year. The bench may have one as well, but i'm calling that a rebuilt o-line... i just hope it's an improvement.

And finally, you cna say 20/20 all you want. The fact is that i only been on this site for so long. If I had a computer when i was a kid and this site was around, i would've been making post after post against losing the players that i mention seeing something in. I was saying it then and I'm typing it now. it sure as heck was NOT hindsight 20/20 on MY behalf. Right now, i'm saying the same thing about Jason Campbell. though I hope we keep him because if our O-LINE POSITIONS aren't drasticly improved, my 'cleo'-like prediction is that McNabb is gonna get hurt behind it and i'd rather have Jason in than Rex. I see a lot in Campbell. If on a team with a decent line, i "predict" HE'LL have a ring before he's done too. Just because you were wrong about players in the past doesn't mean everyone else was too. Some people can look at a short Dolfin receiver that can barely make the #4 spot and say "We should use this little Welker guy with that older has-been who's stinkin' up the Raiders and really make some noise". Then there are people like you who can't see greatness until his stat sheet is filled with wins.

tryfuhl

We haven't rebuilt the O-Line, we've just had a carousel. When something is built that means that it's done, we're currently building the O-Line. Past years should tell us that depth is very important.

SmootSmack

Friend from another board?

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The problem is this. You make a paragraph long rant about QBs we "gave up on". Multiple folks here pointed out your factual inaccuracies and hindsight observations. Then you go into another mini-rant about repeating the past, that ends with "Injury prone QB" and "Crappy line". That argument gets blown up...again with facts and reality, and you go off to something else. Now you want to cry foul...c'mon.

We haven't done jack to our OL outside of bringing in Hicks and some camp fodder. Our starting OL, based on who we have now (and counting our 1st pick on LT) will likely be: LT - 1st rd pick, LG - Dock, C- Rabach, RG - Hicks, RT - Heyer. But....the draft hasn't happened, there are other cuts to be made, etc., etc., etc. The O/L is not anywhere near to a finished product. We have plenty of holes on this team, otherwise we wouldn't have been 4-12. Those holes won't all be filled in a single off-season. But one hole we did fill, at least in the short term, is at QB.

Certainly your top-flight scouting abilities are beyond question. Without knowing what your other all-seeing, all-knowing, predictions are (that aren't after-the-fact) we'll just have to see how the JC thing pans out. I'm making my prediction (and have in numerous other posts) that JC will be nothing more than a back-up and if he gets a ring, he'll have about as much to do with winning it as Chase Daniel did to get his.

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