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Haynesworth might learn a few things about Shanahan from Plummer

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Old 04-08-2010, 10:12 AM   #16
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Re: Haynesworth might learn a few things about Shanahan from Plummer

Why would the players union get involved at all? AH isn't obligated to show, but at the same time the Skins aren't doing anything wrong by shopping him. Neither side is technically in the wrong, they just aren't on the same page.
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Old 04-08-2010, 10:28 AM   #17
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Re: Haynesworth might learn a few things about Shanahan from Plummer

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Why would the players union get involved at all? AH isn't obligated to show, but at the same time the Skins aren't doing anything wrong by shopping him. Neither side is technically in the wrong, they just aren't on the same page.
That's a good question. My only reason to mention was because it was an obvious concern of a post reader, and I usually take a few moments each morning to read the various comments.
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Old 04-08-2010, 10:41 AM   #18
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Re: Haynesworth might learn a few things about Shanahan from Plummer

Seems like Shanahan is a subscriber to that old prison adage...

"On day one, you walk up to biggest, baddest dude in the joint and a) become his bitch, or b) punch him in the face. Either way, you're making the point that you are not to be f**&^d with"
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I like instilling discipline in the team. If you think back to every winning streak of substance that we've had since 2000, it took place under a disciplined coach. Marty got us to finish 8-3 after a 0-5 start. Gibbs had two big finishes to the season to qualify for the playoffs. So I love that Shanahan's got that approach.

But there are a number of things to reconcile here. We can draw comparisons between Haynesworth and Plummer, but the bottom line is Shanahan drafted Cutler at 11th overall, so he already had Plummer's replacement lined up. He doesn't have any semblance of replacement for Albert Haynesworth.

That's why you hear Schefter say we're not actively trying to shop him. The thinking on Haynesworth is likely that, for the right player or package, we'll move him. After all, we did try to move him for McNabb. But since we don't have a remotely adequate replacement at NT, we can't move him unless the package really is that appealing.

Unlike Plummer, it will be hard for us to move Haynesworth for a package good enough to make it worth the massive hole we'll have at the NT position.
I don't think of discipline when I hear Joe Gibbs name. I let too much slide his second time here and I think those two runs for the playoffs was more of the team ralling around him.
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Discipline is one of the major missing ingredients for this team. Better to endure some short term financial pain for future long term success. CLEAN HOUSE and send the message that the leader of this asylum will NOT BE RUN BY THE INMATES!
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I don't think of discipline when I hear Joe Gibbs name. I let too much slide his second time here and I think those two runs for the playoffs was more of the team ralling around him.
There are different types of discipline.

Gibbs wasn't a stickler or control freak, but he definitely had control and the respect of the locker room at all times.
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Seems like Shanahan is a subscriber to that old prison adage...

"On day one, you walk up to biggest, baddest dude in the joint and a) become his bitch, or b) punch him in the face. Either way, you're making the point that you are not to be f**&^d with"

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There are different types of discipline.

Gibbs wasn't a stickler or control freak, but he definitely had control and the respect of the locker room at all times.
I also think he had favorites. While he had control and respect, there may have been some resentment between players as to the preferential treatment some seemed to receive. I think it's pretty clear from some of the comments made at the time and since that there were players who "had the ear of the coach" even under Gibbs. Maybe it wasn't too much of a problem b/c Gibbs knew how to manage the prima donnas.
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I also think he had favorites. While he had control and respect, there may have been some resentment between players as to the preferential treatment some seemed to receive. I think it's pretty clear from some of the comments made at the time and since that there were players who "had the ear of the coach" even under Gibbs. Maybe it wasn't too much of a problem b/c Gibbs knew how to manage the prima donnas.

Oh yeah no doubt. He definitely treated some of his stars and leaders differently.
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Yeah, I've heard stuff like this about Shanahan. I heard in his last year in Denver he was ready to just flat out cut Brandon Marshall. Not trade, just cut. That would have been epically stupid. I'm all about discipline, but not to the point where your ego becomes a detriment to the team.
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Yeah, I've heard stuff like this about Shanahan. I heard in his last year in Denver he was ready to just flat out cut Brandon Marshall. Not trade, just cut. That would have been epically stupid. I'm all about discipline, but not to the point where your ego becomes a detriment to the team.
Very good point. Which is why this whole Haynesworth situation doesn't sit well with me. I can maybe agree with the whole workout situation, although to me this whole deal with "voluntary" workout is very stupid. However, it bothers me that Shanahan and Co. would want to play AH out of position as a 3-4 NT. AH has gone on record saying that he'll play whatever position the team wants him to play, but I do agree with him that he'd be a force at DE.
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Yeah, I've heard stuff like this about Shanahan. I heard in his last year in Denver he was ready to just flat out cut Brandon Marshall. Not trade, just cut. That would have been epically stupid. I'm all about discipline, but not to the point where your ego becomes a detriment to the team.
True, but what message would it send when you have every player on the team except ONE participating in the OTAs and workout program. Doesn't that signal that the ONE player is being treated differently?

I think MS is sending a message to the team: "I am fair, I am even-handed, I want equality." Primadonnas might not like that message, but the 52 other guys on the starting roster will appreciate that and it will prevent resentment in the locker room.

CP is a perfect example...clearly there is a ton of resentment toward CP from other players about the special treatment he has received over the years. MS is just letting folks know that he's not going to tolerate that. I think he'll make more allies from the players because of it, rather than enemies.
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I have to admit at first I didn't AH skipping out was a big deal, but it's obvious now that Shanahan really wants everyone there especially his leaders. I'm starting to see what makes this guy tick, and I like it!

He's not going to let one guy set a tone for the team. Shanahan runs this show and if you don't like it he'll ship your ass out!
I get that, but some people have other obligations too. I think that Shanahan should be okay as long as you're not missing them frequently and keep him in the know/have a good reason to be out.
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Yeah, I've heard stuff like this about Shanahan. I heard in his last year in Denver he was ready to just flat out cut Brandon Marshall. Not trade, just cut. That would have been epically stupid. I'm all about discipline, but not to the point where your ego becomes a detriment to the team.
Couldn't agree more.
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Re: Haynesworth might learn a few things about Shanahan from Plummer

I talked to my source in Idaho and he told me with absolute certainty that he has has never heard of Plummer missing a voluntary handball workout.
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