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Old 04-08-2010, 01:06 PM   #31
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Re: Haynesworth might learn a few things about Shanahan from Plummer

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"But here's the thing: He never intended to and the Redskins were made aware of his plans, people familiar with the situation said. There was a lot of Internet speculation that Haynesworth would skip all of last week's events at the complex because he's supposedly upset about having to play nose tackle more frequently than he would prefer in the Redskins' new base 3-4 defense."

"Haynesworth is following an intense offseason workout program under the guidance of the same trainer who helped him reach all-pro status during the 2007-08 seasons"

Read More: Redskins Insider - Haynesworth's workout regime
Yeah, dude probably had his plans made before he even saw the offseason program plans. With apparently how unorganized it's been the past couple of years he probably decided that he needed to get more individual attention and be part of a structured program. Hell he might have already paid his trainer before all of this got underway.

As long as he's not punting away balls in practice a la Brandon Marshall I'm not going to worry about Big Al too much.
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Re: Haynesworth might learn a few things about Shanahan from Plummer

Part of Shanny's problem in Denver seemed to be his "I am a genius" ego. It's a tough line: Blinded By Ego v. Taking A Stance To Change Culture.

Again, this is one we as fans will just have to wait and see on. I think near the end of his tenure in Denver, Shanny was really scapegoating people particularly Def. Coord's - he went through 4 in his last 6 years. He is a fantastic coach, no doubt BUT even a fantastic coach needs to have some ability to question himself. I think near the end in Denver he simply refused to self-examine. According to the reports, however, he learned during his time off.

I got no problem with Shanny taking a hard-line stance. He's the coach and that's his perogative. If, however, he starts making decisions for the sole purpose of "You disagreed with me, therefore you're sh**", that could be problematic.
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Yeah, I've heard stuff like this about Shanahan. I heard in his last year in Denver he was ready to just flat out cut Brandon Marshall. Not trade, just cut. That would have been epically stupid. I'm all about discipline, but not to the point where your ego becomes a detriment to the team.
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Part of Shanny's problem in Denver seemed to be his "I am a genius" ego. It's a tough line: Blinded By Ego v. Taking A Stance To Change Culture.

Again, this is one we as fans will just have to wait and see on. I think near the end of his tenure in Denver, Shanny was really scapegoating people particularly Def. Coord's - he went through 4 in his last 6 years. He is a fantastic coach, no doubt BUT even a fantastic coach needs to have some ability to question himself. I think near the end in Denver he simply refused to self-examine. According to the reports, however, he learned during his time off.

I got no problem with Shanny taking a hard-line stance. He's the coach and that's his perogative. If, however, he starts making decisions for the sole purpose of "You disagreed with me, therefore you're sh**", that could be problematic.
Yeah, it's no secret that his last 3 years coaching were nothing to write home about. In fact, they were already at home since they didn't make it to the playoffs. I too hold promise that he figured that he can't be the only guy running the show. He should definitely be able to get our club turned around, just hoping that once we hit that hill that we can roll right over it.
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Very good point. Which is why this whole Haynesworth situation doesn't sit well with me. I can maybe agree with the whole workout situation, although to me this whole deal with "voluntary" workout is very stupid. However, it bothers me that Shanahan and Co. would want to play AH out of position as a 3-4 NT. AH has gone on record saying that he'll play whatever position the team wants him to play, but I do agree with him that he'd be a force at DE.
I have spoken to some people recently who wonder if this whole thing with Haynesworth is not being done out of retalliation because Shanahan was dissapointed in the fact he chose an off-season conditioning program that didn't coinside with what he wanted.

I have no problem with discipline, but discipline and revenge are two different things. Having a HC that controlling can eventually cause internal strife. It may not happen right away because it's all new to the guys right now, but down the line I could see it working to his disadvantage.
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Yeah, I've heard stuff like this about Shanahan. I heard in his last year in Denver he was ready to just flat out cut Brandon Marshall. Not trade, just cut. That would have been epically stupid. I'm all about discipline, but not to the point where your ego becomes a detriment to the team.
I think Shanahan and Allen are intent on completely changing the culture that was here the past two years, and I think they feel if they have to push it to an extreme to get the message across so be it.
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JR......Redskins Insider is hell bent on keeping the Haynesworth saga alive and well. Of the ten post on his lead page, five of them are about Albert Haynesworth.
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I really disapprove of Washington going to a 3-4. Just don't see the logic in it and thought their D was quite good last year. Plus, ALL THE $$$ they just spent on Haynesworth!!!! Anyways, I think Kemoeatu (if healthy) will play the nose and Big Al will play DE. I also think that Big Al could play ANY DL technique in ANY scheme and be a stud. Still, this isn't what you paid him for though! I also don't like Fletcher in a 3-4. Hopefully they still use a lot of their old scheme. Honestly, only Orakpo benefits in my mind.
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I'm getting tired of all the AH off season crap. Just get your ass in shape and be ready to ball come training camp. If Shanahan holds a grudge cause his DT isn't at voluntary workouts then too bad and get over it. You're never going to have 100% participation. Plummer is a different story cause he's the QB. Plus they had Cutler waiting in the wings. Plummers days were numbered whether he was at all the off season stuff or not.
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I would love to see him get traded at this point. He had a below average season last year, appears to have no desire to address that, and is not only skipping workouts but complaining. As long as he is in washington, the dan snyder era will be forever remembered.
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I just find it strange how you guys will piggyback any negative AH report but when there was something about JC, a guy who HASN'T proven himself in the league, so many jump to his defense.

Once he's here, what he shows us will tell us if his plan was worth it. Like I've said, the guy probably had his offseason training plan coordinated (and maybe paid for) before ours was even laid out. Chill out guys.
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I just find it strange how you guys will piggyback any negative AH report but when there was something about JC, a guy who HASN'T proven himself in the league, so many jump to his defense.

Once he's here, what he shows us will tell us if his plan was worth it. Like I've said, the guy probably had his offseason training plan coordinated (and maybe paid for) before ours was even laid out. Chill out guys.
Actually both JC and AH get the same response honestly. From all the complaints that everyone has, honestly I have yet to see a reliable source that corroborates that there's a rift and that there's a huge problem ready to blow up. Honestly, I think AH will stay put and you'll see him at the mini camp in April.
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If I were AH I'd probably use my own trainer too. I'm not sure I'd trust anyone else until I was sure they had their s**t together.
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Actually both JC and AH get the same response honestly. From all the complaints that everyone has, honestly I have yet to see a reliable source that corroborates that there's a rift and that there's a huge problem ready to blow up. Honestly, I think AH will stay put and you'll see him at the mini camp in April.
Haynesworth apparently won't be there as to not cause a "distraction"

Redskins Insider - Haynesworth to skip Redskins voluntary workouts, attend mandatory sessions
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I honestly thought he was working out with his trainer until I looked him up in twitter, wow if this is him what a immature douche bag!
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