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Old 04-12-2010, 07:33 PM   #46
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It's not far fetched.
Desean having all of those 50+ yard catches either by making guys miss or just getting ridiculously wide open is attributed more to him than McNabb. McNabb might shake a safety off with his eyes, but Desean made a lot of opportunities for himself.
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Old 04-13-2010, 07:55 AM   #47
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I have a question for everyone on this site, "What direction do you think we are headed in? Do you think we will have the pieces to win the super bowl in the next few years?'
My personal answer to that question is no way in hell. I feel like we are building our team to compete for the playoffs, not the superbowl. We simply have too many holes, and more will develop as our already old team gets even older. We do not have enough ammo to fill those holes in the next few years with our limited amount of draft picks. I guess this whole thread is really a reaction to the McNabb trade. I feel that you should only trade the number 35 overall pick and a third rounder for a 34 year old veteran when that 34 year old veteran will be the missing piece to your superbowl run. I do not believe we are close to a superbowl run, and trading away such keys to our future is ludicrous in my mind. Will McNabb significantly improve our team over the next few years? Yes without a doubt. But we simply do not have the pieces to make a run for the superbowl in the near future, and I feel like trading away future young talent is also trading away the chances of a superbowl for an even longer time. As excited as I am to see our teams improvement next year, I still strongly disapprove of our mentality of trading away the potential for future greatness to remain in mediocrity in the present.

And on a separate note, the eagles I feel made a brilliant move by trading within the division. Their key players are all young, Kolb, Jackson, Maclin, Celic, McCoy. I feel like they are looking toward the future in that trade because they know the trade will cripple us in the long run, while their young talent has time to develop, and they will bring in even more young talent. I do not feel like the Eagles care as much as this season as they do the a few seasons down the road. They know they do not currently have the pieces to truly make a superbowl run, and are trying to assemble the pieces to make one in the future. (I know I will hear alot of disagreement on this thought)

Last thing I wanted to say. In my mind, Shanahan is a great coach, but is TERRIBLE at assembling a roster. His best seasons were teams that he inherited. I feel like he historically has made numerous terrible trades (i.e. jarvis moss), has done a very poor job drafting future talent, and has done a poor job of signing the right free agents (and giving them alot of money, i.e Daniel Grahm). The talent that was on the Broncos team when McDaniels inherited it is a joke in my mind (specifically the defense). There were so many great holes on that team that in my mind they could have possibly had the worst talent in the NFL.

Sorry if I rambled a bit, but I've had to get these things off my chest, please share your thoughts on what I said.
I dont think building a team to compete and get to the playoffs is a bad thing because if a team can get to the playoffs then anything can happen. Look at AZ 2years ago, they were supposed to lose every game they played in the playoffs yet came within 1 drive of winning it all. They got in the tourney and went on a run. If the Skins can get into the playoffs, anything can happen after that.
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:18 AM   #48
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Desean having all of those 50+ yard catches either by making guys miss or just getting ridiculously wide open is attributed more to him than McNabb. McNabb might shake a safety off with his eyes, but Desean made a lot of opportunities for himself.
True, but McNabb did do a good job of ball placement which helped as well. Clearly it takes two to tango, and two players on the same page to connect on those type passes. Everyone knows I am not trying to hijack this and turn it into another JC thread, but I remember last pre-season when JC had Kelly(i think) and JC underthrew him and JC said I didn't know Kelly had that speed in him. I think McNabb will connect on those type passes with more frequency than JC. I hope so at least.
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Old 04-13-2010, 11:31 AM   #49
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McNabb struggles to sustain long drives, but his M.O. his whole career has been the big play.

I don't really see a big play player on our offense, but I will at least entertain the idea that one exists and was obscured by a lack of offensive creativity.
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Old 04-13-2010, 11:40 AM   #50
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Maybe McNabb won't "struggle" so much with a more balanced running game than he received in Philly
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I have a question for everyone on this site, "What direction do you think we are headed in? Do you think we will have the pieces to win the super bowl in the next few years?'
My personal answer to that question is no way in hell. I feel like we are building our team to compete for the playoffs, not the superbowl. We simply have too many holes, and more will develop as our already old team gets even older. We do not have enough ammo to fill those holes in the next few years with our limited amount of draft picks. I guess this whole thread is really a reaction to the McNabb trade. I feel that you should only trade the number 35 overall pick and a third rounder for a 34 year old veteran when that 34 year old veteran will be the missing piece to your superbowl run. I do not believe we are close to a superbowl run, and trading away such keys to our future is ludicrous in my mind. Will McNabb significantly improve our team over the next few years? Yes without a doubt. But we simply do not have the pieces to make a run for the superbowl in the near future, and I feel like trading away future young talent is also trading away the chances of a superbowl for an even longer time. As excited as I am to see our teams improvement next year, I still strongly disapprove of our mentality of trading away the potential for future greatness to remain in mediocrity in the present.

And on a separate note, the eagles I feel made a brilliant move by trading within the division. Their key players are all young, Kolb, Jackson, Maclin, Celic, McCoy. I feel like they are looking toward the future in that trade because they know the trade will cripple us in the long run, while their young talent has time to develop, and they will bring in even more young talent. I do not feel like the Eagles care as much as this season as they do the a few seasons down the road. They know they do not currently have the pieces to truly make a superbowl run, and are trying to assemble the pieces to make one in the future. (I know I will hear alot of disagreement on this thought)

Last thing I wanted to say. In my mind, Shanahan is a great coach, but is TERRIBLE at assembling a roster. His best seasons were teams that he inherited. I feel like he historically has made numerous terrible trades (i.e. jarvis moss), has done a very poor job drafting future talent, and has done a poor job of signing the right free agents (and giving them alot of money, i.e Daniel Grahm). The talent that was on the Broncos team when McDaniels inherited it is a joke in my mind (specifically the defense). There were so many great holes on that team that in my mind they could have possibly had the worst talent in the NFL.

Sorry if I rambled a bit, but I've had to get these things off my chest, please share your thoughts on what I said.
I tend to agree with your first paragraph, but not so much with your second or third paragraphs about the Eagles being briliant and Shanny not knowing how to build a roster. Yes, I would have rather pursued a young QB to put in place for the long term instead of McNabb...but I also have faith in Allen & Shanny and will not judge them until I see their full plan and how it unfolds.
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McNabb struggles to sustain long drives, but his M.O. his whole career has been the big play.

I don't really see a big play player on our offense, but I will at least entertain the idea that one exists and was obscured by a lack of offensive creativity.
Devin Thomas !!!!!
Chris Cooley
Fred Davis
Santana Moss if he shuts up and behaves himself

We'll also see what the 3 RBs can do under Shanny, don't count out any RB with this coach. He made Orlandis Gary, Reuben Droughns, Quentin Griffin, Mike Anderson, Tatum Bell, Selvin Young and countless others into weekly rushing leaders and 1,000-yard rushers. It's amazing how he could take literally any RB and make him succeed. With the three proven, albeit older RBs that we have, he should easily be able to create a rotation that will keep them all healthy and effective.

If Shanny can install his RB system and success, defenses will have to fear both the running game and our QB/passing game. We could be a nightmare for opponents and might rival the unstoppable 1991 Skins offense, IF we can get this offensive line ready for the task.
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Old 04-13-2010, 02:34 PM   #53
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Devin Thomas !!!!!
Chris Cooley
Fred Davis
Santana Moss if he shuts up and behaves himself

We'll also see what the 3 RBs can do under Shanny, don't count out any RB with this coach. He made Orlandis Gary, Reuben Droughns, Quentin Griffin, Mike Anderson, Tatum Bell, Selvin Young and countless others into weekly rushing leaders and 1,000-yard rushers. It's amazing how he could take literally any RB and make him succeed. With the three proven, albeit older RBs that we have, he should easily be able to create a rotation that will keep them all healthy and effective.

If Shanny can install his RB system and success, defenses will have to fear both the running game and our QB/passing game. We could be a nightmare for opponents and might rival the unstoppable 1991 Skins offense, IF we can get this offensive line ready for the task.
not to be a dick, but.... what does his mouth have to do with his play- making ability?
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Old 04-13-2010, 02:52 PM   #55
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not to be a dick, but.... what does his mouth have to do with his play- making ability?
Not his mouth, his punch-throwing and lack of effort.

I don't want him that close to the CB, I want him 20 yards past him.
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