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Old 04-19-2010, 03:02 PM   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #181
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not really. trent williams is a better fit for us. i'm actually hoping Detroit takes Okung as they'd be taking a player we dont need, and, at the same time, increasing the likelyhood that were able to trade down.
I'm pretty surprised more boards don't have us taking Trent Williams over Okung, arguably the most versatile and maybe the best OT in the draft.

I have a feeling because Okung has been so built as the best tackle and a foregone pick for the Redskins, many will fly of the hinges if don't draft him.
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:09 PM   #182
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I'm pretty surprised more boards don't have us taking Trent Williams over Okung, arguably the most versatile and maybe the best OT in the draft.

I have a feeling because Okung has been so built as the best tackle and a foregone pick for the Redskins, many will fly of the hinges if don't draft him.
I will if it's Clausen or somehow Bradford.

If we take a player that we really need for the position, I'll trust Bruce Allen and Shanny, as long as we can address OT somehow.
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:09 PM   #183
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I'm pretty surprised more boards don't have us taking Trent Williams over Okung, arguably the most versatile and maybe the best OT in the draft.

I have a feeling because Okung has been so built as the best tackle and a foregone pick for the Redskins, many will fly of the hinges if don't draft him.
I see our 4th pick as an opportunity to really improve the team. I'll be disappointed in the short term if we take a QB. Slightly less so if we just take a OT. I'd much rather everything work out perfectly for us and we can trade back a few spots...pick up a 2nd or 3rd and still take a OT.
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not really. trent williams is a better fit for us. i'm actually hoping Detroit takes Okung as they'd be taking a player we dont need, and, at the same time, increasing the likelyhood that were able to trade down.
Trent Williams looks very good on film and in terms of combine numbers but in watching Okung you will see a guy who is flat out dominant in pass protection with numerous highlights of him literally throwing guys on running plays. That pass protection element is important as it will force the Cowboys to need someone else besides Ware to step up when they play us. Also don't forget about Osi and Cole.

Okung kept defenders about 3 or 4 yards away from the QB while Williams would stop guys but they'd be about 1 or 2 yards away from the QB. Again if you're a player you're happy with the 1 or 2 yard separation but in a toss up it's no doubt that Okung is the better player.

And finally during the great QB vs O-Line debates I never saw someone randomly type WILLIAMSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!! rather it was always some guy randomly showing up typing nothing but "OKUNGGGGGGGG!!!!!!"
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:21 PM   #185
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I see our 4th pick as an opportunity to really improve the team. I'll be disappointed in the short term if we take a QB. Slightly less so if we just take a OT. I'd much rather everything work out perfectly for us and we can trade back a few spots...pick up a 2nd or 3rd and still take a OT.
That would be ideal. we need both LT and RT. At 4, no one we would take would really satisfy me. Okung is not the best fit for our zoneblocking offense. Trent Williams has tremendous potential, but really isnt worth the 4th overall pick as he's also somewhat of a gamble. ideally, we can trade back a bit and pick up some more picks.

If we trade back and remain in the top 10-12 in the draft, we can probably come out with a left tackle. if we trade back any further, we're proably going to get a right tackle - but accumulate more picks in the draft. At this point, i favor the later option.

I'd be very happy if we traded down to the lower part of the 1st round, picked up a 2nd rounder this year and next, drafted Mike Iupati to play RT (potential to play LT down the road) and then picked up Flozell Adams after the draft. The guy can still play at a high level and would be fine for a year or two. Or, we could use one of our newly acquired 2nd rounders and trade for Jamaal Brown.
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:31 PM   #186
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I've said pretty consistently I believe since February that I think Williams is the guy we're really targeting. Not based on anything other than he seems to fit so much with what Shanahan looks for (versatile, athletic, greater upside, even the fact that he's a bit of a risk I think appeals to Shanny).

I think ideally though they get Williams later in the draft, not at 4. I think if we're stuck at 4 and if it's Williams vs. Okung at #4 they should go with Okung. He's the surer (more sure?) thing. And at #4 I want the sure thing. Williams has tremendous upside, but that also means he has huge bust potential.

But if we can trade down and pick up Williams plus another player, I'll take that over Okung at 4. I don't think Okung is head and shoulders above the rest of the OLs in this draft class.
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:46 PM   #187
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I personally don't think Trent Williams is a good pick in the top 10. He was a solid RT for 3 years, but could not supplant Phil Loadholt as LT. Loadholt was a far superior LT then Williams was, and Loadholt can't play LT for the Vikings. They had to move him to RT where he is much stronger. Williams also has mental lapses, and his commitment has been called to question. He whiffed on the sack that put Bradford on the shelf, and his game tapes this year were mediocre according to most scouts. He looks like he will be a much better RT in the league, and he is one of those guys that a big contract might be worrisome.

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In my opinion, take the sure thing, Williams is too big a risk at 4 to be a long term solution at the crucial LT position. On almost every draft board that I have seen, Okung Is the top rated Left Tackle.

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Williams is the riskier pick, bigger upside perhaps, but Okung is ready to step in and play right now. I really think he could be Samuels part II.
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Williams is the riskier pick, bigger upside perhaps, but Okung is ready to step in and play right now. I really think he could be Samuels part II.
With Samuels serving as the Redskins "draft runner" this year he may actually get to, in a way, officially pass the torch if Okung's name is called (or any OT's for that matter)
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Samuels to Okung works for me, from one perennial pro-bowler to another(hopefully).
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Does anyone really doubt that Flozell Adams will be on the team a week from now?
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Old 04-19-2010, 04:52 PM   #192
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I think the reason they haven't already signed Adams is because they know that they will draft Tackles this year. If they sign 2 good tackles, they won't need to sign Adams.
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Old 04-19-2010, 05:20 PM   #193
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^ They were going to sign Flozell. But then Flozell tripped Bruce Allen in the Redskins Park hallway and Allen got too mad to sign him.
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^ they were going to sign flozell. But then flozell tripped bruce allen in the redskins park hallway and allen got too mad to sign him.
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With Samuels serving as the Redskins "draft runner" this year he may actually get to, in a way, officially pass the torch if Okung's name is called (or any OT's for that matter)
Samuels as the draft runner is a smokescreen making people believe that we picked him because we're targeting a lineman and it will be a passing of the torch. This will allow us to surprise all when we take Clausen at 4, lock it up, championship!

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