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Old 04-17-2010, 12:31 AM   #76
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He's got to be more inventive than Blache, but I don't think anyone would rank Haslett among the more creative DC's in the league. Hopefully i'm wrong, but I expect our defense to pretty much be a disaster.
I am concerned as well. I feel like this change is being made to suit the DC and his scheme more than what is best for the team. Plus Haslett has never really impressed me. If this were some stud DC coming in I would say do whatever you want. But he is not a stud DC.
Our team roster is built to play the 4-3 and we play it well. This change seems forced.
This reminds me of Gibbs arrival back in 81. After going 0-5 Gibbs made the smart move of changing his scheme from Air-Coryell pass happy to a power running game when he saw his O-line and Rb's were the strength of his roster. That took some humility to do that.
Does Haslett and Shanahan have that in them?
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Old 04-17-2010, 07:14 AM   #77
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^ I still think we're overplaying the idea of the 3-4. All they're talking about is incorporating it into their scheme, not a complete switch over.
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I am concerned as well. I feel like this change is being made to suit the DC and his scheme more than what is best for the team. Plus Haslett has never really impressed me. If this were some stud DC coming in I would say do whatever you want. But he is not a stud DC.
Our team roster is built to play the 4-3 and we play it well. This change seems forced.
This reminds me of Gibbs arrival back in 81. After going 0-5 Gibbs made the smart move of changing his scheme from Air-Coryell pass happy to a power running game when he saw his O-line and Rb's were the strength of his roster. That took some humility to do that.
Does Haslett and Shanahan have that in them?
I've been trying to understand the fascination with the 3-4. It was my hope we would improve on what we had as opposed to implementing an entire new scheme without the personnel to make it work. It may not be a bad idea to incooperate some 3-4 concepts, but as a staple the pieces are not there.
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^ I still think we're overplaying the idea of the 3-4. All they're talking about is incorporating it into their scheme, not a complete switch over.
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Here's the advantages and disadvantages....

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Advantage of the 3-4 Defense
The main advantage of the 3-4 defense is its linebackers and canopy effect they give to the line of scrimmage. Based 5 yards back from the play, linebackers can read the flow of the play and give pursuit. The defensive lineman are really there to take up blockers and clog the running lanes leaving the linebackers free to make the play.

The 3-4 defense also can confuse offenses as at different times a different linebacker can be lined up on the line of scrimmage to rush the passer. A number of blitz packages are also available to defensive coordinators as blitzes can come from any of the eight spots on in the defensive backfield.

Disadvantages of the 3-4 Defense
The 3-4 defense really is a personnel-based defense. If a team does not have the linebackers who have the speed and size needed or defensive linemen who cannot take up blockers , the 3-4 is very vulnerable. The result of these situations is teams playing a base 3-4 but through most of the game actually running a 4-3 defense with a linebacker used as the fourth down lineman.

The 3-4 defense is also susceptible to the inside rush. With just a nose guard to plug the middle, the inside rushing game many NFL teams use as a base offensive play. Teams running the 3-4 defense need to have a nose guard that can occupy 2 to 3 players on every down to free up the middle linebackers. In the league right now, finding a true nose guard like that is difficult because of the emphasis on speed play in the college ranks is producing fewer large bodies to be run stoppers.



Read more at Suite101: The Basics of the 3-4 Defense In Football: NFL Teams Are Moving to the Base Defense Because of Recent Success The Basics of the 3-4 Defense In Football: NFL Teams Are Moving to the Base Defense Because of Recent Success
Otherwise, our HC wants to impliment it. nough said.
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I honestly thought Rocky would be the first one to go this off-season
Hey Smoot do you think that maybe Shanny will try to make a run @ Adalius Thomas ?? I totally forgot how bad things are between him and the Patriots and it looks like they will release him if they can't trade him. I know Rex Ryan wants him to the Jets but still Shanny and Bruce could probably convince him to come here if they wanted to and replace Rocky ?!? He was a beast back when he played for the Ravens.

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Otherwise, our HC wants to impliment it. nough said.
So, in essence it all boils down to having the proper personnel. Will we be able to acquire the players needed to run a 3-4 effectively or will we be basically experimenting until the players needed can be put in place?
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Hey Smoot do you think that maybe Shanny will try to make a run @ Adalius Thomas ?? I totally forgot how bad things are between him and the Patriots and it looks like they will release him if they can't trade him. I know Rex Ryan wants him to the Jets but still Shanny and Bruce could probably convince him to come here if they wanted to and replace Rocky ?!? He was a beast back when he played for the Ravens.

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I suppose. Hadn't really thought about Thomas
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Hey Smoot do you think that maybe Shanny will try to make a run @ Adalius Thomas ?? I totally forgot how bad things are between him and the Patriots and it looks like they will release him if they can't trade him. I know Rex Ryan wants him to the Jets but still Shanny and Bruce could probably convince him to come here if they wanted to and replace Rocky ?!? He was a beast back when he played for the Ravens.

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I would love that move. Thomas seems like a team guy with something to prove. Obviously, he fits the system.
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AT just needs a change and I think if he ends up anywhere it's going to be w/ the Jets.
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I would love that move. Thomas seems like a team guy with something to prove. Obviously, he fits the system.
Can Thomas play Inside Linebacker because I actually think we're well off at OLB with Wilson and Orakpo as well as Alexander to play back up.
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Can Thomas play Inside Linebacker because I actually think we're well off at OLB with Wilson and Orakpo as well as Alexander to play back up.

Naww, we're not well off at OLB. If we can get Thomas, we need to make that happen.
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Laron looks like a comic book character! Obviously he hasn't been sitting on his ass like most of the people who want to dump him for a bag of peanuts...
Well if the peanuts can atleast cover a WR and they come cheap I'm on board.
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So, in essence it all boils down to having the proper personnel. Will we be able to acquire the players needed to run a 3-4 effectively or will we be basically experimenting until the players needed can be put in place?
I understand you concern but the same thing could be said of the OL.

I think it all depends on like everyone else is saying are we soley running the 3-4? If we were then we might be screwed. If we are going to slowly grow into a 3-4 through the yrs but start off with some semblence of a 4-3 / 3-4 hybrid and incorporate other scheme's then I think we will be fine. There is no doubt we have talented guys. The doubt is them understanding their roll or lanes or coverage.
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