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Old 04-17-2010, 06:13 PM   #91
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It's going to be interesting to see what the offensive line finally looks like. Joe Bugel was a great guy and I hate to badmouth him, but we needed another person in that role. He was good in the '80's, but somehow he just couldn't connect with the linemen of today's generation. Stephon Heyer should be a monster on the line. So I have to ask if it's just the coaching...

I don't know about Rocky...maybe Shanahan doesn't even want him.
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Old 04-17-2010, 07:01 PM   #92
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I understand you concern but the same thing could be said of the OL.

I think it all depends on like everyone else is saying are we soley running the 3-4? If we were then we might be screwed. If we are going to slowly grow into a 3-4 through the yrs but start off with some semblence of a 4-3 / 3-4 hybrid and incorporate other scheme's then I think we will be fine. There is no doubt we have talented guys. The doubt is them understanding their roll or lanes or coverage.
When you talk about moving DT's & DE's to the LB position, that's the beginning of an experiment and you have no idea how it's going to play out. Naturally you hope it works out for the best, but that's a huge learning curve for even the most experienced player. If that was ever a plan they had actually considered implementing, I hope they scrap it unless it includes no more than one player.
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Old 04-17-2010, 07:18 PM   #93
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This whole 3-4 thing has all the makings of the Adam Archuletta fiasco times 3, and the Landry to Free Safety move. Putting players out of their normal learned position to fit a scheme is a recipe for disaster in my opinion. Some guys can take to it and excel, but far too many get lost and become liabilities.

Whatever happened to: "We will put our players in the best position, to utilize their talents, to make plays. We will not play a 4-3 or a 3-4 defense, we will play a Redskin Defense."
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This whole 3-4 thing has all the makings of the Adam Archuletta fiasco times 3, and the Landry to Free Safety move. Putting players out of their normal learned position to fit a scheme is a recipe for disaster in my opinion. Some guys can take to it and excel, but far too many get lost and become liabilities.

Whatever happened to: "We will put our players in the best position, to utilize their talents, to make plays. We will not play a 4-3 or a 3-4 defense, we will play a Redskin Defense."
The Packers did the same thing and it worked really well. They lost some players like Aaron Kampman, but there defense was much better.
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Old 04-17-2010, 07:34 PM   #95
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This whole 3-4 thing has all the makings of the Adam Archuletta fiasco times 3, and the Landry to Free Safety move. Putting players out of their normal learned position to fit a scheme is a recipe for disaster in my opinion. Some guys can take to it and excel, but far too many get lost and become liabilities.

Whatever happened to: "We will put our players in the best position, to utilize their talents, to make plays. We will not play a 4-3 or a 3-4 defense, we will play a Redskin Defense."
The Landry to FS move though did work. It didn't start to go downhill until Blache became the D-Coordinator. If Haslet can use Landry in the same way GW did as a center fielder in an aggresive scheme then I would be very hesitant to move Landry.
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This whole 3-4 thing has all the makings of the Adam Archuletta fiasco times 3, and the Landry to Free Safety move. Putting players out of their normal learned position to fit a scheme is a recipe for disaster in my opinion. Some guys can take to it and excel, but far too many get lost and become liabilities.

Whatever happened to: "We will put our players in the best position, to utilize their talents, to make plays. We will not play a 4-3 or a 3-4 defense, we will play a Redskin Defense."
nothing has happened to it, the season hasn't even started yet.
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The Landry to FS move though did work. It didn't start to go downhill until Blache became the D-Coordinator. If Haslet can use Landry in the same way GW did as a center fielder in an aggresive scheme then I would be very hesitant to move Landry.
I agree with you Dirt. After Sean died Landry moved to the FS position, and in GW's last game as D Coordinator ( playoff game in Seattle ) Landry had 2 interceptions. Once Blache came into power LL has been used improperly and out of position.
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It's going to be interesting to see what the offensive line finally looks like. Joe Bugel was a great guy and I hate to badmouth him, but we needed another person in that role. He was good in the '80's, but somehow he just couldn't connect with the linemen of today's generation. Stephon Heyer should be a monster on the line. So I have to ask if it's just the coaching...

I don't know about Rocky...maybe Shanahan doesn't even want him.
I am amused at some of your comments made here. How odd that Joe Bugel was a good coach when the GIBBS Skins were making the playoffs but as soon as Campbell and Zorn take over, Bugel developed Alzheimers.
ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ,ha this stuff is good comedy material from you guys.
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^ I still think we're overplaying the idea of the 3-4. All they're talking about is incorporating it into their scheme, not a complete switch over.
I think that the plan is to have it switched sooner than later. Apparently the upcoming LBs and DL we've talked to have been told we're running 3-4. I think that it will be the primary formation, though I'm sure we'll move Orakpo and crew to the line plenty
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Old 04-18-2010, 01:03 AM   #100
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I know it is early, but comments from players and 'anonymous sources' indicate it will be a 3-4 defense. Judging by Haynesworth and McIntosh holdouts and comments and 2nd hand Carter rumors, the D will be scheme based, not player based. In other words, a Blache defense, only 3-4. There is a function for every position in the scheme, perform that function, and don't go outside those parameters. Haslett has a rep for not being player friendly.

I like the 3-4, and think that is where the NFL is going, but forcing it is detrimental in my opinion. Also, Haslett is not the innovative game-planner and game-caller that I was hoping for. I have serious reservations about the direction we are heading defensively.
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Old 04-18-2010, 01:10 AM   #101
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It's going to be interesting to see what the offensive line finally looks like. Joe Bugel was a great guy and I hate to badmouth him, but we needed another person in that role. He was good in the '80's, but somehow he just couldn't connect with the linemen of today's generation. Stephon Heyer should be a monster on the line. So I have to ask if it's just the coaching...

I don't know about Rocky...maybe Shanahan doesn't even want him.

Dude, I will freely admit that I am overly nostalgic but Stephon Heyer is not a monster, he probably shouldn't be on the team. He doesn't know the snap count and he is, has been and will be a turnstile. I know he is a hard worker and I even think he deserves a roster spot but he is a backup not a monster.

Bugel took year after year of lines ignored in the draft and made them respectable. I would even guess that the FO cut Bridges and asked Bugel to turn Chicken s--- into salad with Batiste, montgomery, Williams, heyer and whatever other square pegs were pushed into round holes last year.

Do not forget that our offense didn't look like an NFL one until Zorn was castrated.
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Old 04-18-2010, 08:56 AM   #102
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I know it is early, but comments from players and 'anonymous sources' indicate it will be a 3-4 defense. Judging by Haynesworth and McIntosh holdouts and comments and 2nd hand Carter rumors, the D will be scheme based, not player based. In other words, a Blache defense, only 3-4. There is a function for every position in the scheme, perform that function, and don't go outside those parameters. Haslett has a rep for not being player friendly.

I like the 3-4, and think that is where the NFL is going, but forcing it is detrimental in my opinion. Also, Haslett is not the innovative game-planner and game-caller that I was hoping for. I have serious reservations about the direction we are heading defensively.
I agree. I have really liked what a couple people have mentioned. Play the defense as a 4-3 this year, use the picks and free agents to get our mediocre offense up to speed and then begin the 3-4 shift next year if that is the way Shanny wants to go. I think its absolutely crazy to want to try and remake both sides of the ball with limited picks and a bad free ageny pool due to the CBA being gone. I realize Shanny is trying to put his stamp on everything but it seems like all he is doing is creating havoc and pissing players off and getting them to want to go somewhere else. I hope this is all apart of this "long term plan" I keep hearing about....
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Old 04-18-2010, 10:52 AM   #104
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We will get decent compensation for JC and AH. No first rounders but maybe a 2nd rounder or two for each. That to me isn't to shabby. AH was the dumbest acquisition that Snyder has ever done for the money he paid out. Even the Bruce Smith deal wasn't half as bad as that. It makes me wonder if the McNabb deal is going to be worth it.
hahaha you are high off your ass if you think we are getting a "2nd rounder or two for each". We'll be lucky to get anything higher than a 5th for JC and even a 3rd for AH is better than what we've been hearing let alone multiple 2nd rounders
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The Landry to FS move though did work. It didn't start to go downhill until Blache became the D-Coordinator. If Haslet can use Landry in the same way GW did as a center fielder in an aggresive scheme then I would be very hesitant to move Landry.
I wouldn't say Landry's move worked. I don't care that Landry was or was not a FS in college. He's better suited for the SS spot. When we had ST and Landry as SS the team played lights out. After losing ST and forcing Landry to make the move to FS we have had problems. Namely Landry can't cover sideline to sideline. We need someone quicker and more agile. Secondly we need someone who won't bite on a double move.

I'd pick up a FS somewhere FA or draft, perhaps late, and move Landry back to SS or trade Landry for picks and keep Doughty and Horton as SS.
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