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Old 04-23-2010, 09:51 AM   #91
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Re: Predict Our Five Starters On the O-Line

First game of the season, I am going to go with:

LT: Adams/Jones/Gaither or J. Brown (Brown if I have to pick a guy now)
LG: Dock
C: Rabach
RG: Big Mike Williams
RT: T. Williams

I like what the Ravens did last year with Oher. They let a vet hold down LT and made Oher a RT at first. Of course our problem is that we don't have an established LT on the roster like the Ravens did.

We have to get another starting calibre Left Tackle on our team before the beginning of the year.

If Heyer is on the roster, he needs to be the third option for LT and second at RT at best...
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Old 04-23-2010, 10:32 AM   #94
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I don't think Mike Williams is going to cut it. He's way too slow. I want Rinehart in the mix. He was highly regarded coming out...

Chad Rinehart

The coaches seem to like him. I think BMW got downfield a couple of times to mangle someone last year. It seems to me that BMW is better in pass pro than Rinehart.

Rinehart wasn't as highly regarded as BMW. BMW was a top 10 pick.

I am confident that both guys along with Hicks will get a legitimate shot and the best guy will play.
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The coaches seem to like him. I think BMW got downfield a couple of times to mangle someone last year. It seems to me that BMW is better in pass pro than Rinehart.

Rinehart wasn't as highly regarded as BMW. BMW was a top 10 pick.

I am confident that both guys along with Hicks will get a legitimate shot and the best guy will play.
I agree, and think that the center of our line could be pretty good with the talent we have and the competition of camp.
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Old 04-23-2010, 10:46 AM   #96
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There's some talk of actually moving Heyer inside to guard. Probably something they'll experiment with this summer
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There's some talk of actually moving Heyer inside to guard. Probably something they'll experiment with this summer
I like this idea he can't do worse than he did at Tackle and can be large enough to do it..
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I don't think it matters much. When we have a good OL Heyer will not be starting on it at any position. Some guys are just backups and if he can be a servicable backup at T & G then I guess thats a good thing.
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I don't think Mike Williams is going to cut it. He's way too slow. I want Rinehart in the mix. He was highly regarded coming out...

Chad Rinehart
You think MikeWilliams will be cut because you like Rinehart....umm interesting!!

I beg to differ....I think M. Williams will be the starting R/G (bar injury) when the season starts JMO. If there's an in-road to be had, he has it. He and our OC (along with Derrick Dockery) were college team-mates, there's some history there.
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Yeah Shanahan had some good things to say about big Mike when we re-signed him. So you have to figure he's going to be a part of our plans going forward.
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There's some talk of actually moving Heyer inside to guard. Probably something they'll experiment with this summer
From what I have seen of Heyer, there is no way he can play guard. He does not get low, especialy on goal line and plays with poor leverage in the run game. Realy his strength is pass blocking with his long arms, and he sucks at that. Best place for him is Dallas, New York, or Philly.
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I'm still concerned about the middle of the OL, whether Heyer moves inside or not, but the main concern seems to me to be getting another tackle who can play better there than Heyer. Maybe some good RT will appear as a post-draft cut that we can pick up.
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Williams(Brown)/Hicks,
Dockery/Hicks,
Rabach/E Williams,
M. Williams/Rinehart
Bushrod(Williams)/Heyer

I think Williams allows us to get Bushrod OR Brown from the Saints. If we get Brown, we start him at LT, and Williams at RT. If we get Bushrod than Williams starts at LT and Bushrod starts at RT

what makes bushrod an attractive option at RT? admittedly i never really focused on his play when i watched saints games this year but from what i read and his rankings, hes not much better than a heyer or jones.

i think he did well for being a backup plugged into a starting role but hes been with the saints for 3 years as a backup learning their system, had drew brees as his qb and a dynamic offense. putting up points and winning the SB may make every saints players efforts in 09 look probowl in rose colored retrospect.

with all that being said he ranked something like 68th overall for tackles last year. heyer and jones were 71 and 72.

idk about bushrod, local guy but still dont see him being anything more than quality depth, not a long term answer at either tackle spot.
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what makes bushrod an attractive option at RT? admittedly i never really focused on his play when i watched saints games this year but from what i read and his rankings, hes not much better than a heyer or jones.

i think he did well for being a backup plugged into a starting role but hes been with the saints for 3 years as a backup learning their system, had drew brees as his qb and a dynamic offense. putting up points and winning the SB may make every saints players efforts in 09 look probowl in rose colored retrospect.

with all that being said he ranked something like 68th overall for tackles last year. heyer and jones were 71 and 72.

idk about bushrod, local guy but still dont see him being anything more than quality depth, not a long term answer at either tackle spot.
umm, the grass is greener in New Orleans. My basic thinking is that Brown was better than Bushrod, but Bushrod was still better than anything we had, but I didn't really look deep at him.
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I didn't mean he would be cut. MW has limited range. He's slow footed. I cannot believe he thinks he can play OT in this league. Fans are quick to bash Heyer for giving up sacks. MW was just as bad. Most DEs in our division could run around MW twice untouched and still sack who's ever under center! Watch the tapes. All this dude has is size and strength. No speed. No stamina. He gets in the way of opposing defenders and his fellow linemen. He doesn't even dominate guys who he's lucky (or might I say say rarely) get his hands on. He have a better chance winning on The Biggest Loser. Rinehart could be the promising OL we long to draft today.
There is some truth in the way you characterize Williams from the tackle position. It could be the reason why they feel G is the better position for him at this stage of his career. Also, you must remember that he dealt with various injuries for most of last season, couple that with it being his first time back in football after an extended absence could explain some of his uneven play. Look for him to be a much better performer this year, more so from the G position than that of tackle.
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