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Old 04-22-2010, 01:07 PM   #61
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Re: Steelers Actively Shopping Big Ben for a Top 10 Pick

Right now Ben is like Vick without the jail time, so no one can say, "At least he paid his debt..."
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Right now Ben is like Vick without the jail time, so no one can say, "At least he paid his debt..."
With rape and sexual assault there is no "debt" to pay off. In fact most rapist, including child molesters, get out way to early. Maybe, and I emphasize maybe, you can recover from sexual harassment, but if you are proven to be a rapist you should be phased out of society. Weather it be staying in jail or simply having no one wanting to talk to you.
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With rape and sexual assault there is no "debt" to pay off. In fact most rapist, including child molesters, get out way to early.
Agreed. That's a crime that can never fully heal for the victim. If is not a physical crime, it's a lifelong emotional/psychological scar. It's not about sex, it's about power and control over the victim. Sex addict education or rehab won't do any good.

Rapists and child molesters should be automatically castrated and/or put away forever. I wouldn't even care if they were put to death.

They've crossed a moral line in the same way a murderer does. Once you commit that crime, you can not be rehabilitated. It's easy to be a repeat offender and statistics back that up. It's a line that you've crossed that separates those who can live in society amongst other people and those who can't.
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Re: Steelers Actively Shopping Big Ben for a Top 10 Pick

And just to be clear I don't think Lotus was suggesting that you could pay a debt to society. Rather he was anticipating the excuses you would hear from someone down the road thats would be interested in signing Ben after getting convicted.

@Buster -Glad to see someone that feels the same way I do about the crime in general.
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I've seen their ads, kind of a sports bar place if I remember correctly. Any news from their about Ben? has it affected biz?
word is the bathrooms aren't seeing much traffic
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And just to be clear I don't think Lotus was suggesting that you could pay a debt to society. Rather he was anticipating the excuses you would hear from someone down the road thats would be interested in signing Ben after getting convicted.

@Buster -Glad to see someone that feels the same way I do about the crime in general.
Oakland doesn't need excuses or a reasonable explanation.
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Oakland doesn't need excuses or a reasonable explanation.
Ha ha, to true. I remember watching their Americans Game presentation for the year they beat us in the Super Bowl and they relished in the fact that they basically did whatever they could to cheat. Or as they explained it "gaining an edge." Stuff like deflated balls for opponents during home games, getting away with holding calls on purpose, hitting people in scrums after the play, stuff like that.
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Old 04-22-2010, 01:29 PM   #68
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Re: Steelers Actively Shopping Big Ben for a Top 10 Pick

Per Adam Schefter:
Let's rule out some more potential landing spots for Ben Roethlisberger: No Raiders, no Jaguars.
about 6 hours ago via web

If Schefter is right then that seals it. Ben won't be traded.
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Old 04-22-2010, 01:36 PM   #69
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Ha ha, to true. I remember watching their Americans Game presentation for the year they beat us in the Super Bowl and they relished in the fact that they basically did whatever they could to cheat. Or as they explained it "gaining and edge." Stuff like deflated balls for opponents during home games, getting away with holding calls on purpose, hitting people in scrums after the play, stuff like that.
Weren't they also the team that watered the field strategically to create mud pits on sunny California game days where it hadn't rained for weeks, and their players knew where they were?

I saw that last week on NFLN...think it was the Raiders. It was on Top 10 Home Field Advantages.
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Weren't they also the team that watered the field strategically to create mud pits on sunny California game days where it hadn't rained for weeks, and their players knew where they were?

I saw that last week on NFLN...think it was the Raiders. It was on Top 10 Home Field Advantages.
Yeah that was another thing they did. I knew there were a few things more out of the norm then the things I listed.
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I've seen their ads, kind of a sports bar place if I remember correctly. Any news from their about Ben? has it affected biz?
Can't say it has because it is not widely known that he is an owner. I only came across the info after the case in GA. Before that I ate thier a few times, and Ben being an owner is not advertised in the establishment.
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And just to be clear I don't think Lotus was suggesting that you could pay a debt to society. Rather he was anticipating the excuses you would hear from someone down the road thats would be interested in signing Ben after getting convicted.

@Buster -Glad to see someone that feels the same way I do about the crime in general.
I completely agree whole heartedly. Ther is so much pain for the woman after the fact. Like I said earlier it happened to my mom about 2 months ago, and to say the least there is not much in the way of healing so far. I have no sympathy for anyone who gets away with this kind of crime.
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I completely agree whole heartedly. Ther is so much pain for the woman after the fact. Like I said earlier it happened to my mom about 2 months ago, and to say the least there is not much in the way of healing so far. I have no sympathy for anyone who gets away with this kind of crime.
I missed that post earlier; so sorry to hear that man.
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Re: Steelers Actively Shopping Big Ben for a Top 10 Pick

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Per Adam Schefter:
Let's rule out some more potential landing spots for Ben Roethlisberger: No Raiders, no Jaguars.
about 6 hours ago via web

If Schefter is right then that seals it. Ben won't be traded.
Let's hope he's not traded!! Then we can hopefully trade Campbell to the Raiders or Bills.
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I completely agree whole heartedly. Ther is so much pain for the woman after the fact. Like I said earlier it happened to my mom about 2 months ago, and to say the least there is not much in the way of healing so far. I have no sympathy for anyone who gets away with this kind of crime.
That's what happened to your mom?! Oh my! Damn, man I'm so so sorry. I'm speechless. I remember (I think) that you said her house had been broken to, but I didn't realize she'd been assaulted. That is just awful
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