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Old 04-25-2010, 07:04 PM   #151
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This is why they have rankings of the biggest busts ever, if there weren't different levels of busts, then they would all be tied.

You don't have to change your mind, cause you can believe what you want, but what explanation do you have for rankings of busts over the years if there are no levels of busts?
I thought that NFLN had those shows so that they had something to air in May, June, etc.

In my mind all busts are tied. They all are wasted draft picks.
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Old 04-25-2010, 07:19 PM   #152
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This is why they have rankings of the biggest busts ever, if there weren't different levels of busts, then they would all be tied.

You don't have to change your mind, cause you can believe what you want, but what explanation do you have for rankings of busts over the years if there are no levels of busts?
Because it's a two step process: Was the player a bust or not? If a bust, then he goes into a pile of other busts. Sifting through the pile, we can agree that Jamarcus, Ryan Leaf and Heath Shuler were busts. Which was the biggest? That's when the discussion as to "level of bust" begins.
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Old 04-25-2010, 07:29 PM   #153
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Clearly you missed this:
This is why they have rankings of the biggest busts ever, if there weren't different levels of busts, then they would all be tied.

You don't have to change your mind, cause you can believe what you want, but what explanation do you have for rankings of busts over the years if there are no levels of busts?
nah I didn't miss anything, a guy is a bust or he's not. Pretty simple.

Rankings are for TV shows. Pretty sure you won't be seeing JC on any top 10 bust shows either.
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^^ Much more concisely put.
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Old 04-25-2010, 07:53 PM   #155
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I do think we can close the book on the trades for both Campbell and McIntosh as being cases of over-compensation. Neither have performed quite at the level we gave up to get them.
Well said.
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Old 04-25-2010, 08:09 PM   #156
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I do think we can close the book on the trades for both Campbell and McIntosh as being cases of over-compensation. Neither have performed quite at the level we gave up to get them.
Yeah that's pretty much the gist of it. Rocky hasn't played up to what we hoped, and when you draft a QB in the 1st round, obviously the expectation is that he'll be a higher level starter for a number of years for your team. What makes it worse is that we gave up picks to move up and get both of them, so the net loss is that much worse.

I agree with Matty that a bust is a guy who can't play. JC and RM are both starting caliber NFL players, but they just haven't lived up to their expectations. Busts? No. What the Redskins were hoping for? No.

I still think Jason could put up some nice numbers under the Shanahans, but that's irrelevant at this point.
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Old 04-25-2010, 08:16 PM   #157
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Some seem to have very loose definitions of bust, but traditionally a bust is a guy that is an epic failure. A guy that comes into the league with high expectations and quickly proves that he is not a NFL caliber player.
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Some seem to have very loose definitions of bust, but traditionally a bust is a guy that is an epic failure. A guy that comes into the league with high expectations and quickly proves that he is not a NFL caliber player.
Agreed. Not meeting expectations does not equate to bust. Vernon Gholston is a good example of a bust in recent years. 6th overall pick, and can't even get on the field.

As someone mentioned earlier- Heath Shuler, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Mike Williams (USC WR), Charles Rogers- these are guys that are busts. College studs drafted very high who amounted to diddly poo in the NFL.

If a bust is a 1st round pick that is a starter in the NFL but not a star... well, then the NFL is full of starting players that are busts. Not the case IMO.
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Old 04-25-2010, 09:21 PM   #159
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Shuler was the biggest bust because it cost us most of the 90's. We spent the rest of the decade having starters at QB that were really brought in for depth purposes(Frerotte, Green), then acquired Brad Johnson for 2 seasons. IF Shuler would have been the stud he was projected to be we would have been in a few playoffs in the mid 90's. We were close with both Gus and Trent.
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Old 04-25-2010, 09:23 PM   #160
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JC and Rocky aren't busts just never were able to take it to the next level. Shuler was a bust. When have you ever heard of a first round pick being booed for a seventh round QB?
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Old 04-25-2010, 09:49 PM   #161
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JC may be a bust to us bitter, entitled Skins fans, but look, the guy is going elsewhere to start and even if he wasn't, more than likely, he'd be a solid backup in this league for years to come. That's a far cry from guys who flat out "cannot play".

I think we can all agree he failed to pick the team up on his back and carry it anywhere. He pretty quickly became a "game manager" type of QB, and there's probably a lot of good debate about why that happened, but really -- bust? I think not.

Those of you who've always disliked the guy looking to hang the bust label on him because of the draft picks we gave up to get him need to factor in the Gibbs 2.0 Personnel Inflation Cost (tm). Let's not forget, this was the FO that gave you TJ Duckett, Brandon Lloyd, and Adam Archuleta.
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Old 04-25-2010, 10:12 PM   #162
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best of luck to Jason, class act and a hell of a qb. i hope he gets what he deserves which is nothing but the best. absolute class act.
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Old 04-25-2010, 10:15 PM   #163
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I am making the Raiders my second favorite team. JC should have never been put in the Suanders offense or the Zorn(west coast offense). JC will be where he belongs in a verticle passing game. With the speed recievers he has they should be able to run under some of his over thown balls. I wish him the best and will use my Direct tv to keep an eye on him. With that said, having McNabb is Awsome.
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Old 04-26-2010, 08:13 AM   #164
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I do feel bad he's getting shipped to the black hole, but on the positive side of things he's going to be working with a very good OC in Hue Jackson. And with the level of "talent" at QB on that roster, he should definitely have the leg up on winning that starting job.
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Old 04-26-2010, 08:28 AM   #165
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I always liked the Raiders, though w/age I don't really follow teams other than the Skins that much other than just watching important games. Since JC is there now & they made some good picks this weekend, I think the raiders may at least be respectable & I'll route for them. We don't play them for another 3 years.

I don't know if JC can win the job there but I'll be routing for him. Actually, they have quite a logjam at qb, it's quite possible that JC gets cut.
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