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Old 04-27-2010, 12:03 PM   #211
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I dont think JC is a bust. I just felt like he was an underachiever. He wasn't good enough to make a bad team better. He could keep a decent team decent. And that's why i think he will do fair in Oakland. They are a young team on the rise, and he is a sensible QB that does just enough to preserve a win. He will not be their Rich Gannon, and i dont think anyone expects him to be.

Remember he still has to beat out Gradkowski and Kyle Boller, because all news says that JaMarcus Russell will be released in the coming days...
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:04 PM   #212
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he's closer to what you'd call a draft bust than an actual bust

it wasn't his fault that we gave up all of that for him
Ok I can buy that he's a "draft bust" in regard to what was given up for him, but a bust in the traditional sense of the word in regard to his on field performance, no.
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:04 PM   #213
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he's closer to what you'd call a draft bust than an actual bust

it wasn't his fault that we gave up all of that for him
That's the difference that I was trying to tease out.
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:11 PM   #214
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Sure HS was a bust but the Skins didnt give away a bunch of picks to get him. To me its all those picks that they gave away is what puts the bust label on JC. Not only did JC not pan out they didnt get ant benefit from the 3 picks they gave away to get him. That's a 4 player loss and a pretty big hit.
Did we even need to trade up to get him. I also question if we offered up more then what we need to offer to move up in the draft. It's not like this would be a first for us to give up too much to get a deal done.
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:24 PM   #215
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Sure HS was a bust but the Skins didnt give away a bunch of picks to get him. To me its all those picks that they gave away is what puts the bust label on JC. Not only did JC not pan out they didnt get ant benefit from the 3 picks they gave away to get him. That's a 4 player loss and a pretty big hit.
One of the picks was our 1st rounder in 06 for their 1st rounder in 05, that's a swap, not a loss of a pick. I thought we gave up a 3rd & 4th after that. If so, that would be a net of 2 picks, not 4.
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:27 PM   #216
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One of the picks was our 1st rounder in 06 for their 1st rounder in 05, that's a swap, not a loss of a pick. I thought we gave up a 3rd & 4th after that. If so, that would be a net of 2 picks, not 4.
And considering we're getting a 4th in 2012, net of 1 pick
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That's the difference that I was trying to tease out.
Yeah, mine was just kind of a continuance of your post.
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Old 04-27-2010, 01:13 PM   #218
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So, are you arguing that if, for the sake of argument, we had picked JC at #25 without giving up extra picks, he would not be a bust?
Pretty much yes. I think I'd call him more of a big disappointment if he was drafted 25th. Its the loss of those picks thats the real kicker. JC ended up being a marginal QB (who might not even start in Oak) who the Skins end up thrwing away for a 4th round pick.
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Old 04-27-2010, 01:17 PM   #219
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Yes, I agree those picks are hard to swallow for a player that didn't fit the system we were trying to run..
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I think JC will do well and I wish him the best.

He will be in a smaller market on a team nobody expects much from. I think that will help him.
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And considering we're getting a 4th in 2012, net of 1 pick
I think the Skins were lucky to get anything for him so that 4th pick helps.
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Old 04-27-2010, 01:34 PM   #222
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So, are you arguing that if, for the sake of argument, we had picked JC at #25 without giving up extra picks, he would not be a bust?
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Pretty much yes. I think I'd call him more of a big disappointment if he was drafted 25th. Its the loss of those picks thats the real kicker. JC ended up being a marginal QB (who might not even start in Oak) who the Skins end up thrwing away for a 4th round pick.
Then, logically, JC is not a bust to you. The trade up for him is what you are criticizing, not JC himself.
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Then, logically, JC is not a bust to you. The trade up for him is what you are criticizing, not JC himself.
Its the whole thing, the trade up, JC's play. Put that all together and the final result is bust.
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Its the whole thing, the trade up, JC's play. Put that all together and the final result is bust.
You are not being logical. You can't say "the whole thing" because whether JC busted his pick, or whether we should have traded up for him, are two separate issues, as your own posts have highlighted.
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Old 04-27-2010, 02:09 PM   #225
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You are not being logical. You can't say "the whole thing" because whether JC busted his pick, or whether we should have traded up for him, are two separate issues, as your own posts have highlighted.
I know they are 2 seperate things. Should they have traded up - no. Did JC bust his pick - yes. When you look at the whole saga of JC with the Skins (trade up, his play, toss him out) the final result is bust.
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