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Old 05-11-2010, 12:06 PM   #46
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Anything could happen with a new staff I guess, but Doughty has really turned into a solid player, I don't see him getting cut. He's the kind of hard working overachiever coaches love.

I'm hoping for big things from Moore. It's time for him to step up and contribute.
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Old 05-11-2010, 12:45 PM   #47
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Theyre definitely cheaper, but neither of them even approaches being as talented as Landry.
That's rich. I guess getting beasted on MNF is talent. Landry is a bum!
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Old 05-11-2010, 02:04 PM   #48
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Free safety is going to be a huge question mark. I'm just glad they're not putting Landry back there anymore cause he was terrible last year. Maybe Moore will take the bull by the horns. He's shown some flashes so we'll see.
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Haslett's defense don't historically follow the FS and SS roles the way that we historically think of them. He usually puts a closed safety (more like a SS) close to the LOS with deep responsiblity falling on the corner helping him. Laron would be ideal here, looking at his added bulk Haslett may have clued him into this idea early on. Then Laron doesn't have to worry about being the deep help, he'll play short zones and blitz and (hopefully) wrap up some running backs. Reed would not be ideal here b/c he is smaller and he does have some range to provide coverage deeper so playing the Open safety spot is probably where he fits in although comparing the two I'd say Reed is a better tackler. Laron is definitely faster than Reed but Laron also has an extremely aggressive nature, if you cater to that then you put him as close to the action as you can -- that means he plays the closed position and has no deep responsibility to worry about. Moore is really the only player on the roster right now who could step in and do the things that Haslett likes his deep safeties to do. Reed might be too slow, Holmes is completely unproven and I have no idea what he is capable of, Laron really cannot play at this position he's too aggressive and that isn't something you should coach out of a player and given his goal of 240 lbs he'd be better playing close to the line.
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Haslett's defense don't historically follow the FS and SS roles the way that we historically think of them. He usually puts a closed safety (more like a SS) close to the LOS with deep responsiblity falling on the corner helping him. Laron would be ideal here, looking at his added bulk Haslett may have clued him into this idea early on. Then Laron doesn't have to worry about being the deep help, he'll play short zones and blitz and (hopefully) wrap up some running backs. Reed would not be ideal here b/c he is smaller and he does have some range to provide coverage deeper so playing the Open safety spot is probably where he fits in although comparing the two I'd say Reed is a better tackler. Laron is definitely faster than Reed but Laron also has an extremely aggressive nature, if you cater to that then you put him as close to the action as you can -- that means he plays the closed position and has no deep responsibility to worry about. Moore is really the only player on the roster right now who could step in and do the things that Haslett likes his deep safeties to do. Reed might be too slow, Holmes is completely unproven and I have no idea what he is capable of, Laron really cannot play at this position he's too aggressive and that isn't something you should coach out of a player and given his goal of 240 lbs he'd be better playing close to the line.
good analysis, thanks for posting. They said good things about Holmes last year & he's still around to compete for a spot, maybe he catches on as a backup deep safety?
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I just went over to the Skins Official site and they're talking about Reed and Kareem being the FS? In my opinion Horton and Kareem would be better at FS. Laron and Reed would be best at SS. Making Reed a FS would be a huge mistake and a waste of my ability.

What Sayeth the Mob?
Haslett scheme doesn't defeine FS/SS as different positions anymore.

Starting in the Oakland game Reed was our FS.

With that being said,after LaRon, i think Moore best S on the team.
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Haslett's defense don't historically follow the FS and SS roles the way that we historically think of them. He usually puts a closed safety (more like a SS) close to the LOS with deep responsiblity falling on the corner helping him. Laron would be ideal here, looking at his added bulk Haslett may have clued him into this idea early on. Then Laron doesn't have to worry about being the deep help, he'll play short zones and blitz and (hopefully) wrap up some running backs. Reed would not be ideal here b/c he is smaller and he does have some range to provide coverage deeper so playing the Open safety spot is probably where he fits in although comparing the two I'd say Reed is a better tackler. Laron is definitely faster than Reed but Laron also has an extremely aggressive nature, if you cater to that then you put him as close to the action as you can -- that means he plays the closed position and has no deep responsibility to worry about. Moore is really the only player on the roster right now who could step in and do the things that Haslett likes his deep safeties to do. Reed might be too slow, Holmes is completely unproven and I have no idea what he is capable of, Laron really cannot play at this position he's too aggressive and that isn't something you should coach out of a player and given his goal of 240 lbs he'd be better playing close to the line.
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Haslett's defense don't historically follow the FS and SS roles the way that we historically think of them. He usually puts a closed safety (more like a SS) close to the LOS with deep responsiblity falling on the corner helping him. Laron would be ideal here, looking at his added bulk Haslett may have clued him into this idea early on. Then Laron doesn't have to worry about being the deep help, he'll play short zones and blitz and (hopefully) wrap up some running backs. Reed would not be ideal here b/c he is smaller and he does have some range to provide coverage deeper so playing the Open safety spot is probably where he fits in although comparing the two I'd say Reed is a better tackler. Laron is definitely faster than Reed but Laron also has an extremely aggressive nature, if you cater to that then you put him as close to the action as you can -- that means he plays the closed position and has no deep responsibility to worry about. Moore is really the only player on the roster right now who could step in and do the things that Haslett likes his deep safeties to do. Reed might be too slow, Holmes is completely unproven and I have no idea what he is capable of, Laron really cannot play at this position he's too aggressive and that isn't something you should coach out of a player and given his goal of 240 lbs he'd be better playing close to the line.
good post and welcome to the site.

obviously i'm no expert, but it sounds like the exact same thing, just different terms., hether you call it an open safety/free safety or a closed safety/ strong safety. one safety is primarily responsible for playing deep. the other is closer to the LOS and does more blitzing and short coverage. translation - landry is playing strong safety and we still dont have a starting caliber free safety on the roster.
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Old 05-11-2010, 06:10 PM   #54
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Maybe LaRon is another Adam Archuleta in disguise and won't even be able to play SS. Man, I hope I'm wrong with this sarcastic statement! But I know I'm right on my Clinton Haynesworth comments...
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Maybe LaRon is another Adam Archuleta in disguise and won't even be able to play SS. Man, I hope I'm wrong with this sarcastic statement! But I know I'm right on my Clinton Haynesworth comments...
Maybe you should just copy and paste your comments. That will save you the trouble of typing the same point that you've managed to write in every single thread.
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Old 05-11-2010, 09:48 PM   #56
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Even at 230 or 240 pounds Laron is the best FS on the team. He is also the best SS on the team. People who think he should be cut or traded for a wet ham sandwich really do not want to see the Redskins succeed.
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Even at 230 or 240 pounds Laron is the best FS on the team. He is also the best SS on the team. People who think he should be cut or traded for a wet ham sandwich really do not want to see the Redskins succeed.
I definitely think he is the best guy to play SS the way this defense will use one, think Troy Palumalu playing real close to the LOS almost like another linebacker but I do not think he is the best Free Safety, too aggressive, doesn't anticipate routes AT ALL, marginal ball hawk, he cannot play 30 yards off the ball like he did last year it will not work for him. Guy has all the speed in the world but he doesn't do the things in space that you need a deep safety to do and what's more he can't shake his inclination to bite on stutter/stop-go routes. Kareem Moore showed a little bit of what he can do deep last year, he covered well and he knew his assignments when he was on the field. I thought in the NO game he demonstrated and ability to anticipate routes and he showed us that he does have some range. From a positional standpoint I think doing what the position requires Moore is probably a better deep safety that Landry. I know Landry was faster and has more upside, he is a freak athlete and Moore is not but a part of me really thinks that Landry cannot make the light go on when it comes to playing deep. Part of playing deep especially in the old system is anticipating where a play can end up not reacting to where it is right now. Landry doesn't do that he always just misses the big hit or takes just a little bit to short of an angle, he's gotta be closer to be good. Moore doesn't need that, I don't know if he can start at that spot but Landry absolutely cannot.
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I definitely think he is the best guy to play SS the way this defense will use one, think Troy Palumalu playing real close to the LOS almost like another linebacker but I do not think he is the best Free Safety, too aggressive, doesn't anticipate routes AT ALL, marginal ball hawk, he cannot play 30 yards off the ball like he did last year it will not work for him. Guy has all the speed in the world but he doesn't do the things in space that you need a deep safety to do and what's more he can't shake his inclination to bite on stutter/stop-go routes. Kareem Moore showed a little bit of what he can do deep last year, he covered well and he knew his assignments when he was on the field. I thought in the NO game he demonstrated and ability to anticipate routes and he showed us that he does have some range. From a positional standpoint I think doing what the position requires Moore is probably a better deep safety that Landry. I know Landry was faster and has more upside, he is a freak athlete and Moore is not but a part of me really thinks that Landry cannot make the light go on when it comes to playing deep. Part of playing deep especially in the old system is anticipating where a play can end up not reacting to where it is right now. Landry doesn't do that he always just misses the big hit or takes just a little bit to short of an angle, he's gotta be closer to be good. Moore doesn't need that, I don't know if he can start at that spot but Landry absolutely cannot.

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Even at 230 or 240 pounds Laron is the best FS on the team. He is also the best SS on the team. People who think he should be cut or traded for a wet ham sandwich really do not want to see the Redskins succeed.

For the record, it was a grilled cheese. He's not good enough for ham.
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If you want him to play FS again better make it turkey it's leaner Landry as bulked up he would need to lose weight.
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