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Old 05-13-2010, 09:33 AM   #16
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On the raiders - skins theme, I watched the "30 for 30" movie the other night by ICe Cube, "Straight Outta LA." It was awesome, except for the clips of the LA Raiders killing us in the super bowl!

They showed an interview w/Dexter Manley from back then. Of course, they had to show M. Allen & his famous run on us. That was the apex for the LA raiders, they went hollywood after that, became a ghettoized fan base & mediocre at best for the rest of the 80s.

Interestingly, of the clips they showed about the raiders demise, they had a Raiders - Skins game in LA w/Jay Schroeder throwing a pick 6 to Martin Mayhew. The highlight was also accompanied by Willie Gault saying the raiders didn't have a great qb then. That they showed that game was fitting, since we traded Schroeder to them for the best LT in the game, Jim Lachey. Lachey went on to win a super bowl w/Joe Gibbs & D. Williams. Schroeder continued his downward slide w/the raiders. Kind of funny to look at that w/the recent JC trade having gone down.

Another funny thing in the movie were the tapes of Shanahan being introduced as head coach in 88 I believe. Rod Martin, raiders LB from the super bowl team, said that Shanahan wanted to make them a finesse team and "took the fun out" of football for him. Shanahan's & Al Davis' stormy relationship has always been well known in the press. Yet, w/Bruce Allen here, we have a former raiders gm who obviously can make a deal w/Al Davis et al.

On the raiders making the playoffs this year; I'd say they're about in the same boat we are. It will take some good fortune & overachieving to get there.
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Old 05-13-2010, 09:37 AM   #17
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They would have to win the division. No way do they make it as a wild card. San Diego still has to be the favorite but after that I don't think there is a big gap bewtween Oak, Denver and KC.
KC hasn't done enough to be a winning team IMO, but Denver should at least give teams a run for their money. they are getting younger, but will need another year to be a winning team. SD has the only complete roster in the div.
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So you really think because JC is a hard working QB that will turn the other players into hard working players? Wonder why it didn't work here? Oh, maybe it did but his stron effort could not over come his lack of talent.
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So you really think because JC is a hard working QB that will turn the other players into hard working players? Wonder why it didn't work here? Oh, maybe it did but his stron effort could not over come his lack of talent.
We had bigger problems, don't you think?
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So you really think because JC is a hard working QB that will turn the other players into hard working players? Wonder why it didn't work here? Oh, maybe it did but his stron effort could not over come his lack of talent.

no, my point was that switching from Russell to Gradkowski was obviously a spark and that team won with Gradkowski (hardly a worldbeater himself) so i meant that handing the keys to a guy who gives a shit and works hard might have a similar effect.
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True Matt we did have other problems but unless JC has contracted a sudden case of the Leaders then he won't bring much of a change in Oakland. They have talent but who is the leader of that team ? IMO the QB needs to be the leader of the offense if not the team. I think that Jason's leadership was never a strong suit. All that lead by example crap is for the other guys, the QB has to be the guy. He has to make the other 10 guys in that huddle believe that they can accomplish whatever task they are up against. If he finds a way to call his own protections, become more vocal at the line, and actually fortifies himself as the guy then Oakland could be heading up the charts. Many of you have called me out for my hatred of JC but it wasn't him, but his game. He can't sit and crave the love of his Front Office, Coaches, Fans, he has to make them understand that they must love him because he is what they want him to be. He never did that here which is why he is gone. If anyone wonders why I said leader so much, and that he lacked leadership skills then I'll say that I wouldn't have if JC's former teammates didn't express the how much it lacked before Donovan got here.

Then again, he still needs to win the QB job for all of that to matter right ? One more thing, dude are you Jason Campbell's cousin or something ?

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Leaders come in different shapes and sizes. His style may fit in well out there, you don't know.
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D*** next time maybe SmootSmack will think twice before not showing up for voluntary Mod camp!
It's ok, I get it. He's just trying to send a message to me. I'll tell you what though....I'm skipping voluntary mod camp next year as well

Like I've told Rainy, I like his writing both on and off this board. And I'd much rather lock a lot of other threads, and SBXVII's post was pretty ridiculous. But to Matty's point, I followed the letter of the rule without regard to the spirit of the rule.

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I like to say Rainy is one of the better members we have gotten in quit some time.

Also and I have said this before if you don't like the subject don't click on the thread. It clearly says Raiders in the title, it is not like Rainy titled it McNabb out for the season.
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On the raiders - skins theme, I watched the "30 for 30" movie the other night by ICe Cube, "Straight Outta LA." It was awesome, except for the clips of the LA Raiders killing us in the super bowl!

They showed an interview w/Dexter Manley from back then. Of course, they had to show M. Allen & his famous run on us. That was the apex for the LA raiders, they went hollywood after that, became a ghettoized fan base & mediocre at best for the rest of the 80s.

Interestingly, of the clips they showed about the raiders demise, they had a Raiders - Skins game in LA w/Jay Schroeder throwing a pick 6 to Martin Mayhew. The highlight was also accompanied by Willie Gault saying the raiders didn't have a great qb then. That they showed that game was fitting, since we traded Schroeder to them for the best LT in the game, Jim Lachey. Lachey went on to win a super bowl w/Joe Gibbs & D. Williams. Schroeder continued his downward slide w/the raiders. Kind of funny to look at that w/the recent JC trade having gone down.

Another funny thing in the movie were the tapes of Shanahan being introduced as head coach in 88 I believe. Rod Martin, raiders LB from the super bowl team, said that Shanahan wanted to make them a finesse team and "took the fun out" of football for him. Shanahan's & Al Davis' stormy relationship has always been well known in the press. Yet, w/Bruce Allen here, we have a former raiders gm who obviously can make a deal w/Al Davis et al.

On the raiders making the playoffs this year; I'd say they're about in the same boat we are. It will take some good fortune & overachieving to get there.
Better make that Joe Gibbs & M.Rypien.
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If I remember correctly, he covers the Raiders because it's a part of his job there.

BTW, I think JC is roughly equivalent to Gradkowski. I guess one could argue is he's a slight upgrade.

However, their locker room probably needs some air freshening, and JC could probably at least provide some guidance and direction there, but he can't do it all alone.
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Old 05-13-2010, 10:49 AM   #28
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thanks for the lovefest, guys. but you should know that in real life i'm actually really a dick.
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thanks for the lovefest, guys. but you should know that in real life i'm actually really a dick.
Nice...

Good read, BTW, but the raiders remind me of the NY Knights in The Natural. Meddling, semi-psychotic owner, crappy GM, and an onery fat coach. Losing is a disease, and they've got a bad case of it. It's going to take a Roy Hobbs like miracle maker to drag them out of the basement, and god love JC, but he's no Roy Hobbs.
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Better make that Joe Gibbs & M.Rypien.
my bad, Lachey came here in 88, year after Williams won the SB mvp. I always associate Schroeder w/Williams because the latter said that one game JS told him "get your ass outta there" when he replaced him once during their qb shuffle of 87. Williams got the last laugh for sure.
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