Why Santana Moss gets a free pass...

Longtimefan · 05-25-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Looking back at all sports, not just football, you'll see that on most occasions, these "illegal performance enhancing" substances were used to expedite healing from an injury. But none-the-less, it is still an illegal drug obtained illegally. No matter what the intended use.

But I cannot endorse any suspension by the league without evidence.

Has Moss failed any league mandated drug tests? Do they have any evidence they he actually received these treatments?

Players who ARE suspended for performance enhancing drugs, like Brian Cushing and Shawne Merriman, were all implicated by POSITIVE drug testing and by league testing rules and procedures already in place.

As far as I know, all they have on Moss is an afadavit. In other words, this guy said he did, but other than that, there is no physical eveidence this ever took place.

So until the league endorses using "word of mouth" as fool proof eveidence of illegal activity, LEAVE MOSS ALONE AND LET THE MAN PLAY FOOTBALL!

Until all the evidence is made clear, Moss will remain guilty by speculation since it appears to carry far more weight than guilt by association.

SirClintonPortis · 05-25-2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Whiskeybilt

HGH occurs naturally in our bodies, but we stop producing it at a certain age.

Roids are genetically engineered chemicals, designed to effect performance.

I see a huge difference and don't personally have a problem with a doctor like this finding ways to heel athletes. Not just to get them back on the field and play, but to be able to walk and get out of bed when they hit 50.

Giving a player HGH in small doses, in a controlled fashion, is not much difference than the hormones we put into our meat, that has every American bigger and faster and quicker to mature, than most other countries, IMO.

Genetic engineering involves going into an organism's gene and changing the DNA sequence. Some steroids are produced synthetically WITHOUT any biological agent producing them. They are probably made in a lab using a more fundamental way: put compounds in an aqueous solution and let them undergo a chemical reaction.

tryfuhl · 05-25-2010, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

Same as yours.

see#61 and 62

How do you know mine? I've already read those posts you dolt. They don't state anything educative or informative.

tryfuhl · 05-25-2010, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Whiskeybilt

HGH occurs naturally in our bodies, but we stop producing it at a certain age.

Roids are genetically engineered chemicals, designed to effect performance.

I see a huge difference and don't personally have a problem with a doctor like this finding ways to heel athletes. Not just to get them back on the field and play, but to be able to walk and get out of bed when they hit 50.

Giving a player HGH in small doses, in a controlled fashion, is not much difference than the hormones we put into our meat, that has every American bigger and faster and quicker to mature, than most other countries, IMO.

Our body also naturally produces testosterone and derivatives.

djnemo65 · 05-25-2010, 09:13 PM

OP's argument is pretty absurd. If the whole problem with substances like HGH, the whole reason that they are illegal is that they unfairly enhance on field performance, how can we then give someone a pass just for performing admirably on the field? By that logic Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens are eligible for passes too, as they certainly gave us plenty of wow moments, even though the use of illegal substances is presumably what allowed them to perform at such high levels for so long.

I'm not saying Santana is necessarily guilty of cheating, I really have no idea; but to argue that he should be exempted from criticism just for having played well is bunkum.

tryfuhl · 05-25-2010, 09:22 PM

Bonds' use and Moss' use are two wholly different things.

djnemo65 · 05-25-2010, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Bonds' use and Moss' use are two wholly different things.

Sure, that's not the point.

Giantone · 05-25-2010, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

How do you know mine? I've already read those posts you dolt. They don't state anything educative or informative.

...........like I said.

SBXVII · 05-26-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

2 totally different situations and circumstances.

Goodell cannot suspend anyone for violating the leagues substance abuse policy without physical evidence.

However, if he feels that this incident gives the NFL a "black-eye", then Goodell would have to find a way to classify this incident as a violation of the leagues "personal conduct policy".

That is what Big Ben was suspended for. And lest we forget, Ben did it twice in consecutive years BEFORE he was suspended.

Big difference between substance abuse and personal conduct policy.

What it's going to boil down to is proof. Just because a doctor says he was going to visit Moss doesn't mean Moss knew about it or was a part of it. Now if the Feds hold a hearing and put him under oath then I would presume the truth would come out.

Otherwise all you have is opposing teams hiring doctors to get caught and say they were in route to visit said opponents key players. Then watch all the players get suspended for no reason.

SBXVII · 05-26-2010, 10:15 AM

NFL is going to look into it.... aggressively.

Goodell says NFL will pursue Galea information aggressively | ProFootballTalk.com

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"We are very anxious to see all of the details and pursue it aggressively," Goodell said at the league meeting in Dallas.

The federal criminal complaint filed in the Galea case says Galea's clients included at least three NFL players, but it did not name the players.

joethiesmanfan · 05-26-2010, 03:39 PM

Teammate: Moss admitted being treated by troubled Canadian doc

I got my fingers crossed, toes too.

30gut · 05-26-2010, 10:21 PM

Being treated by Galea doesn't mean he was treated with HGH.
The burden of proof lies with the prosecution and they aren't going after Moss.

tryfuhl · 05-26-2010, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

...........like I said.

You didn't say shit. You never say shit.

The Goat · 05-26-2010, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

You didn't say shit. You never say shit.

Sassy!

Giantone · 05-27-2010, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

You didn't say shit. You never say shit.

So why are you upset then?

05-25-2010, 09:13 PM	#80
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Location: MA Age: 32 Posts: 2,836	Re: Why Santana Moss gets a free pass... OP's argument is pretty absurd. If the whole problem with substances like HGH, the whole reason that they are illegal is that they unfairly enhance on field performance, how can we then give someone a pass just for performing admirably on the field? By that logic Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens are eligible for passes too, as they certainly gave us plenty of wow moments, even though the use of illegal substances is presumably what allowed them to perform at such high levels for so long. I'm not saying Santana is necessarily guilty of cheating, I really have no idea; but to argue that he should be exempted from criticism just for having played well is bunkum.

05-25-2010, 09:22 PM	#81
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 29 Posts: 12,512	Re: Why Santana Moss gets a free pass... Bonds' use and Moss' use are two wholly different things.

05-26-2010, 03:39 PM	#86
joethiesmanfan The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,163	Re: Why Santana Moss gets a free pass... Teammate: Moss admitted being treated by troubled Canadian doc I got my fingers crossed, toes too. __________________ BP Bush/Palin 2012

05-26-2010, 10:21 PM	#87
30gut The Starter Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,075	Re: Why Santana Moss gets a free pass... Being treated by Galea doesn't mean he was treated with HGH. The burden of proof lies with the prosecution and they aren't going after Moss. __________________ No longer were NFL coaches dealing inflexibly with spread [QBs] in ways that caused stunted development for players like [A. Smith and Vick] now, the idea is to bring what the quarterback can do, and what he should do, together as an organic whole

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