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Old 06-29-2010, 07:17 PM   #76
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I think we are just inquiring. Looking under every rock.
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I think we are just inquiring. Looking under every rock.
I will say this, even though I cringe at the thought of pursuing another skill player I have to give the Redskins credit. For the most part they've built from the line out. First with the D-Line (Kemo, Cariker, multiple random bodies), then the O-Line (Hicks, Williams, Capers, Cook), and finally QB. If they did this I'd be a little disappointed but knowing the Skins Front Office it would probably be a bargain.
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Old 06-29-2010, 08:31 PM   #78
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Completely agree with the sentiment that we don't need to bring Vincent Jackson in. I mean, McNabb is used to working with next to nothing at the WR position and when he does have some decent receivers, he puts up crazy numbers.

We have Cooley and Fred Davis as well as a solid offensive mind in Kyle Shanahan to use the pieces we do have. Let's see how we do with the players in place befroe bringing in more disgruntled players.
At what point will people, not singling you out cause I've heard this from many people, understand that Cooley and Davis are TE's? Yes we have them. Yes they both are awsome. However the coach's are looking for WR's. Although they can be used as WR's we still need WR's. The team need to keep defenses guessing where the ball is going instead of other teams covering two players and we have no other weapons.

On a side note, again, why are we looking into picking up players that will require the team to give up too much when one (T.O) is still out there and would cost little? or atleast a lot less.

Next up to be released..... Roydell Williams, Shay Hodge, Joey Galloway(due to age, 38).

Left over....

Armstrong
Austin
Banks
Furry
Kelly
Moss
Thomas

Thats the WR's boys. I could see 5 WR's active, (Moss, Thomas, Kelly, Furry, and Armstrong), one either Austin or Banks being a KR/PR/WR, and the other put on practrice squad. Depending on play I might even dump Furry or Kelly for T.O.

I'd heavily look into cutting Furry and picking up T.O. on a 2yr deal giving Thomas and Kelly 2 yrs to be developed correctly in order to replace him.
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Old 06-29-2010, 09:22 PM   #79
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Shanahan was apparently high on Jackson back in 2005

Could a Vincent Jackson trade be nearing? - AFC West Blog - ESPN

a lil fluff to fire up the rumor mill
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If Joey is cut he will not go broke like others he invested his money wisely. He never blowed it on drugs & hoes. Plus we will see him on espn.
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Old 06-30-2010, 01:49 PM   #81
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We don't need a receiver bad enough to trade for Vincent Jackson. Put it this way, a few years ago the Chiefs had the most proficient offense in the league. Their formula, an elite tight end, solid receivers, a pro bowl QB, and a devastating running game led by a great O-Line, all masterminded by a great offensive mind combination (Vermil/Saunders-Shanahan/Shanahan). Right now we have all of those pieces and then some (Fred Davis is the some).

NFL teams have proved time and time again that having elite receivers is something that's nice to have, not essential. Trading more draft picks to win the Super Bowl in 2010/11 is insane. I mean give us credit, we do have some time to build a team. Right now the only thing left to do is to get everyone on the same page with the offense.
Another funny comment. Our O Line has went from the laughing stock of the league.....to......here it comes...............great!!!!



Inquirinig minds want to know, WHATS THE RECIPE!!!!!?????

- An unproven rookie at your most important position guarding an already injury prone, aging QB who most think his best days are behind him.

- Artis Hicks, a career MEDIOCRE BACKUP.

- Jamaal Brown, who sat out the ENTIRE year last year with a very serious injury.

- and Casey RABACH!!!!! LOL, RABACH!

- Add a pinch of Shannys special seasoning and conditioning, AND BOOM!!!
YOU GOT YOURSELVES A "GREAT" Offensive Line........

On a side note, any Offensive line unit who still has Stephon Heyer on their squad, even as a backup, has lost almost ALL chance of even being considered solid.
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Don't laugh but on NFL radio the other day they were talking about the possiblity that the Skins could have the best OL in the division this year. I don't think that's a crazy discussion either.
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If Joey is cut he will not go broke like others he invested his money wisely. He never blowed it on drugs & hoes. Plus we will see him on espn.
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Another funny comment. Our O Line has went from the laughing stock of the league.....to......here it comes...............great!!!!



Inquirinig minds want to know, WHATS THE RECIPE!!!!!?????

- An unproven rookie at your most important position guarding an already injury prone, aging QB who most think his best days are behind him.

- Artis Hicks, a career MEDIOCRE BACKUP.

- Jamaal Brown, who sat out the ENTIRE year last year with a very serious injury.

- and Casey RABACH!!!!! LOL, RABACH!

- Add a pinch of Shannys special seasoning and conditioning, AND BOOM!!!
YOU GOT YOURSELVES A "GREAT" Offensive Line........

On a side note, any Offensive line unit who still has Stephon Heyer on their squad, even as a backup, has lost almost ALL chance of even being considered solid.
This post is a fail (aside from the Casey Rabach comment).

Artis Hicks is a better than mediocre backup.

Jamaal Brown was probably prematurely put on IR last year, given the fact that he could have played in the playoffs for NO. He had a hernia surgically repaired. So what? It's not like he's rehabbing a shredded knee or anything. The way I see it, he's got one more year of mileage on him, and is fresh as a daisy coming into camp. I think he'll be our best O-lineman this year.

Yes McNabb is 33, but he's still one of the best in the business, and despite your injury comment, he's started 44 of the last 48 regular season games. Pretty solid.

And stating that our O-line basically has no chance of being solid simply because Heyer is on the team has zero basis in fact.
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This post is a fail (aside from the Casey Rabach comment).

Artis Hicks is a better than mediocre backup.

Jamaal Brown was probably prematurely put on IR last year, given the fact that he could have played in the playoffs for NO. He had a hernia surgically repaired. So what? It's not like he's rehabbing a shredded knee or anything. The way I see it, he's got one more year of mileage on him, and is fresh as a daisy coming into camp. I think he'll be our best O-lineman this year.

Yes McNabb is 33, but he's still one of the best in the business, and despite your injury comment, he's started 44 of the last 48 regular season games. Pretty solid.

And stating that our O-line basically has no chance of being solid simply because Heyer is on the team has zero basis in fact.
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Old 06-30-2010, 03:05 PM   #86
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This post is a fail (aside from the Casey Rabach comment).

Artis Hicks is a better than mediocre backup.

Jamaal Brown was probably prematurely put on IR last year, given the fact that he could have played in the playoffs for NO. He had a hernia surgically repaired. So what? It's not like he's rehabbing a shredded knee or anything. The way I see it, he's got one more year of mileage on him, and is fresh as a daisy coming into camp. I think he'll be our best O-lineman this year.

Yes McNabb is 33, but he's still one of the best in the business, and despite your injury comment, he's started 44 of the last 48 regular season games. Pretty solid.

And stating that our O-line basically has no chance of being solid simply because Heyer is on the team has zero basis in fact.
Peyton Manning, Brees, Rivers, Brady, Favre, Rogers, Rothlisberger, Ryan, Schaub, shit, even Romo and E. Manning.

That is a list of QB's that I would rather have under center for my team, solely based on skill and production, other than Donovan McNabb. The point I was trying to make is that people throw around the word "great" and "one of the best in the business" (wrong) too often. McNabb is not one of the best in the business. He is a servicable, capable veteran, but no longer one of the best. Shit, not even top 10 m8.

And saying that our line is "great", no matter who we have brought in, coaches or personnel, without seeing them play together as a unit, is just stupid in my opinion. I know being a fan is great and fun, just be realistic as well.

Our line couldn't get worse, and the moves we have made have a 100% chance of making us better than last year, definitely, but we are far, I repeat FAR from being considered great, far from even above average, no matter what the brilliant minds of NFL radio say or think.

PS - Heyer fuckin sucks, and as long as he is on the squad, credibility is lost. Sorry.
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Peyton Manning, Brees, Rivers, Brady, Favre, Rogers, Rothlisberger, Ryan, Schaub, shit, even Romo and E. Manning.

That is a list of QB's that I would rather have under center for my team, solely based on skill and production, other than Donovan McNabb. The point I was trying to make is that people throw around the word "great" and "one of the best in the business" (wrong) too often. McNabb is not one of the best in the business. He is a servicable, capable veteran, but no longer one of the best. Shit, not even top 10 m8.

And saying that our line is "great", no matter who we have brought in, coaches or personnel, without seeing them play together as a unit, is just stupid in my opinion. I know being a fan is great and fun, just be realistic as well.

Our line couldn't get worse, and the moves we have made have a 100% chance of making us better than last year, definitely, but we are far, I repeat FAR from being considered great, far from even above average, no matter what the brilliant minds of NFL radio say or think.

PS - Heyer fuckin sucks, and as long as he is on the squad, credibility is lost. Sorry.
Completely agree.. The line is significantly better on paper but as of the posting of these comments, that's all it is, on paper.

Until they play against the likes of Umenyiora, Tuck, Ware and the other beasts we are about to see this season, let's keep the hyperbole to a minimum and say only there is reason to be optimistic.
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Old 06-30-2010, 04:20 PM   #88
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It's a ridiculously simple position to argue that we cannot judge this line since they have not played a snap, and then turn around and say this line has no credibility because Heyer is on it. First, you keep players on for bodies, Heyer is one of those. They won't cut him till they are required to, and why would they? If they need the roster space I am sure he is gone, but otherwise, his presence proves nothing pro or con about the OL. If he is on the team at final cut, THEN, your statement might have some validity.

As for this OL's ability, we have seen Jammal Brown, we know what he is capable of (Pro Bowl and all rookie team, either side of the line); Dockery is a solid professional by every indication; Rabach is a Skin, has been, and can play at the professional level consistently; RG has several options all who are healthy and capable; and RT has either a probowler in Jammal, or if TW doesn't hack it on the LT spot he certainly can play at the pro level on the RT spot. THIS is a FAR BETTER position than the Skins were in last year at this time. Further, EVEN the WORST case scenario, where TW falls to Right Guard (ugh), puts a capable LT in JB, LG is DD, C is Rabach, RG is TW, and RT is Hicks with Capers backing him up. Given where we were, this is an awesome upgrade.

And further I don't think people said the line is "Great" but it could easily be the best in the NFC East. Dallas has followed our example of ignoring the line for the Star positions, we know where that leads. Philly does not have a stand out line, or a probowler or recognized star, except JPeters who didn't have a good year last year; and the Giants, who may have a better line, are starting to show injury and age after several solid years of line play.

When BA said that upgrading the line could be done in one offseason, I kinda shook my head, but it seems like -- they Had a plan, they were patient, and they executed their plan. I can be optimistic about that!
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Peyton Manning, Brees, Rivers, Brady, Favre, Rogers, Rothlisberger, Ryan, Schaub, shit, even Romo and E. Manning.

That is a list of QB's that I would rather have under center for my team, solely based on skill and production, other than Donovan McNabb. The point I was trying to make is that people throw around the word "great" and "one of the best in the business" (wrong) too often. McNabb is not one of the best in the business. He is a servicable, capable veteran, but no longer one of the best. Shit, not even top 10 m8.

And saying that our line is "great", no matter who we have brought in, coaches or personnel, without seeing them play together as a unit, is just stupid in my opinion. I know being a fan is great and fun, just be realistic as well.

Our line couldn't get worse, and the moves we have made have a 100% chance of making us better than last year, definitely, but we are far, I repeat FAR from being considered great, far from even above average, no matter what the brilliant minds of NFL radio say or think.

PS - Heyer fuckin sucks, and as long as he is on the squad, credibility is lost. Sorry.
Well, whether or not McNabb is one of "the best in the business" can be debated I guess, but my bet is if you ask a couple dozen random analysts and players, a pretty good majority would say he's still a top flight QB. Not top 5 (although some still argue that he is), but certainly top 10. I'll argue that all day. He's more than "serviceable." Jason Campbell is serviceable. Put it this way, he's one of the 10 best players on earth at his position. Is that good? Plus you argued that he's injury prone. The last three seasons he has not been at all.

Just because some mouth on NFL radio said our line is "great" doesn't mean that's the widely held opinion. I don't think anyone on this website or inside the organization is saying we're a "great" O-line. But vastly improved? No doubt.


Anyway- my point that your OP was a fail was because:
-You said McNabb was injury prone. 44 starts in the last 48 games says you're wrong.
-You said Artis Hicks isn't even a mediocre backup. That's just flat out wrong.
-You said J.Brown was coming off of a very serious injury. Repairing a hernia almost a year ago isn't "very serious" and is no threat to his 2010 season.
-And again, just because Heyer is on the roster doesn't mean this line can't ever be considered solid. That's just a dumb contension. Sorry.
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Yes McNabb is 33, but he's still one of the best in the business, and despite your injury comment, he's started 44 of the last 48 regular season games. Pretty solid.
I'm probably nitpicking GMScud today, especially since I'm largely in agreement with (t)his post, but when you have to frame McNabb's durability in the concept of the last three years, because he comes out in the bottom third of quarterbacks in durability when you talk about last year, or the last four years, or the last five years, seems like selective sampling.

The whole picture is this (I'm not going back past 2004, but you absolutely could without changing the results):

McNabb started the following % of his teams games:

2009: 88%
2008-09: 94%
2007-09: 92%
2006-09: 88%
2005-09: 81%
2004*-09: 84%

*I did not penalize McNabb for sitting the final game in 2004 on Coach's Decision. I just didn't count that one in games played.

McNabb misses almost two games a season -- for his career -- with injures. No matter how that's trended over the last three years, he's not going to get less injured as he gets older. He might play through more injuries...but I'd rather he not if it's going to hamper his effectiveness.
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