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View Poll Results: Should the Redskins trade for Vincent Jackson?
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Old 07-15-2010, 01:08 PM   #316
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Good point...AND Fredskins...it helps to have a thick skin around here sometimes.......
Yeah especially this time of year. People are chomping at the bit for some full contact.
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Old 07-15-2010, 01:43 PM   #317
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Uhh, shouldn't FredskinsVA be simply be directed to the Redskins Gear section of the forums if he wants to sell his stuff. I see no need for this vitrol and snobbery directed at him.
I totally agree. I was more perturbed by his ass-hatedness about it when it was pointed out. If he said "Oh man sorry I didn't realize this wasn't the place for it" then I wouldn't have said anything. Plus I didn't see much vitriol. Dirtbag may have jumped a little too hard on him but I think I was pretty even handed. Just tried to explain the line of thinking. Then he started acting like an ass. That's on him.
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Old 07-15-2010, 03:47 PM   #318
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I totally agree. I was more perturbed by his ass-hatedness about it when it was pointed out. If he said "Oh man sorry I didn't realize this wasn't the place for it" then I wouldn't have said anything. Plus I didn't see much vitriol. Dirtbag may have jumped a little too hard on him but I think I was pretty even handed. Just tried to explain the line of thinking. Then he started acting like an ass. That's on him.
I was actually just joking with him, I have friends that are in sales so I like to mess with them in a similar fashion from time to time. However I now understand how it can be seen as something a little more harsh, especially with text. Anyway whats done is done. The message has been sent, don't sell us anything until you've taken us to a strip club in downtown Tokyo and treated us to a few pints of sake. Kampai!
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Old 07-16-2010, 10:04 AM   #319
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Re: Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson

Well if the skins are getting it done, it will be this weekend. Everytime i come visit my fiance's family in nc, a trade goes down. well each time this year.
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Re: Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson

They would be foolish not to trade Jackson. Maybe he has a chance of landing in DC who knows..?

Vincent Jackson "not a part of the plan" in San Diego

Posted by Mike Florio on August 12, 2010 6:52 PM ET
With any NFL team, it's hard to know where the B.S. stops and the truth begins. In San Diego, there's plenty of B.S. coming from the man known as A.J. But the Chargers' General Manager also appears ready to follow through on the protracted poker hand that he has been playing with left tackle Marcus McNeill and receiver Vincent Jackson.

As to Jackson specifically, it appears that the Chargers plan to squat on him indefinitely.

In a mailbag column for the San Diego Union-Tribune, Kevin Acee suggests that McNeill could eventually get a long term deal. Not so for Jackson.

"Vincent Jackson is not a part of the plan," Acee writes. " I don't see them using the franchise [tag] on Jackson either. Not now. This has gotten ugly."

With Jackson suspended for the first three games of the season and unlikely to show up and sign his dramatically reduced restricted free agency tender before that, the question becomes whether he'll sign at some point after the suspension ends and before Week 10, after which time he won't be able to play at all in 2010.

If he doesn't show up by Week 10, the Chargers will hold the same rights to him in 2011 that they held in 2010. Jackson's only path out of San Diego, short of a trade, lies in showing up by Week 10, earning a year of credit toward free agency, and then hoping to get out of town next year. (Since he's not under contract, Jackson can show up after August 10 and still earn a year of credit toward free agency.)

So while Acee thinks there's little chance of Jackson showing up for six weeks and making roughly $200,000, the fact that he'll be right back where he is right now if he doesn't show up by Week 10 makes it likely, in our view, that he'll come in by Week 10, get his year of credit, and hope to be able to get out come next year.

And if the Chargers truly aren't interested in signing Jackson to a long-term deal, why don't the Chargers trade him? For a team that has postseason aspirations and, presumably, a desire to win games once they get there (for a change), it makes sense to get something for him before he shows up in November, goes through the motions for six weeks, and then walks away.
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Old 08-12-2010, 08:03 PM   #321
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Re: Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson

I think there has always been a chance of him ending up here Skinsfan.

There is also a part of me that thinks he will end up somewhere where they have have an injury between now and week 6.

Smoot or anyone out there: Does his suspension begin in week 1 regardless of what he does or does it come when he is signed either with the Chargers or another NFL Team?

I assume it is the latter, once he is signed then he begins his suspension.
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Re: Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson

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I know that Jackson has a lot of talent, but I don't understand why people want him here after bitching and whining about Haynesworth's "me first" attitude. I don't see San Diego trading him...or at least being in a hurry to to trade him.
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Re: Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson

Ruhskins it's because with VJ we could honestly contend for a SB run.. The guy is a great talent. Big , Fast and catches everything thrown at him. SD is just playing hardball because they are cheap asses.. Malcolm Floyd will never be Jackson, but they are acting like he could be. Let's face it our WR corp. isn't looking great right now.
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Ruhskins it's because with VJ we could honestly contend for a SB run.. The guy is a great talent. Big , Fast and catches everything thrown at him. SD is just playing hardball because they are cheap asses.. Malcolm Floyd will never be Jackson, but they are acting like he could be. Let's face it our WR corp. isn't looking great right now.
I see your point. I just see San Diego having all the bargaining chips on any trade and they could make it very costly for any team to get Jackson. Now, I feel better with a guy like Bruce Allen in charge, as he has obviously done a good job with compensation in trades. But unless Jackson becomes a huge headache for San Diego, I don't see them trading him for cheap.
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Re: Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson

We have to stop being scared of breaking tradition. Just because our best 3 receivers are two tight ends and a receiver instead of two receivers and a tight end doesn't mean we can't be successful. I mean think about it, everyone is scared of Joey Galloway being the number 2 receiver when in reality he's looking at being the number 4 passing option. The Chargers last year had a Tight End as their number one receiver. And do I need to bring up the Dick Vermil lead Chiefs again and how their offense was structured.

Look at the facts.

- We have with the help of a miracle pretty much fixed the O-Line in one offseason.

- We have a brilliant offensive braintrust

- We have a franchise QB

- We have three legitimate passing options.

The only question mark is the running backs and I'm pretty sure we won't have to worry about them.
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I see your point. I just see San Diego having all the bargaining chips on any trade and they could make it very costly for any team to get Jackson. Now, I feel better with a guy like Bruce Allen in charge, as he has obviously done a good job with compensation in trades. But unless Jackson becomes a huge headache for San Diego, I don't see them trading him for cheap.
Oki I agree with your assesment as to why we could use VJ, but like Ruhskins I think the price is to high for him and SD holds all the leverage. We could wait about 7 months and try to get him in FA next offseason. If he goes else where than so be it.

In previous posts I have stated that the Chargers are asking to much for him in a trade and I don't value him as high as Brandon Marshal nor as low as Santonio Holmes, the compensation should be around the middle either a 3rd or 4th round pick. That is the most i would part with to get him.

I keep waivering on either being behind bringing him in and not. At this point with so many reasons why i would not, I think I would pass. There is just to much baggage that comes with him and the big money contract that will come with aquiring him.

We should pass on the big price tag this guy will bring this year as far as compensation and contract. Have patience and wait for FA and the draft next year to deal with the WR position.
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We have to stop being scared of breaking tradition. Just because our best 3 receivers are two tight ends and a receiver instead of two receivers and a tight end doesn't mean we can't be successful. I mean think about it, everyone is scared of Joey Galloway being the number 2 receiver when in reality he's looking at being the number 4 passing option. The Chargers last year had a Tight End as their number one receiver. And do I need to bring up the Dick Vermil lead Chiefs again and how their offense was structured.

Look at the facts.

- We have with the help of a miracle pretty much fixed the O-Line in one offseason.

- We have a brilliant offensive braintrust

- We have a franchise QB

- We have three legitimate passing options.

The only question mark is the running backs and I'm pretty sure we won't have to worry about them.
Ah, cooler heads prevail....

But I certainly see the other point...if your 4th option is a wideout...that means, we probably aren't going to successfully stretch the field to open up the intermediate areas for the TE's.

2 TE's can work...but you would be flooding the intermediate zones...there is a ton of traffic in there with LB's....pulling safetys up compounds the problem. The way to get around that is use a TON of TE motion to commit the secondary to improper positions pre-snap to create more separation. There is no way we want a safety covering a TE if we can help it. We need TE's to be covered by LB's and ends exclusively. Remember...there are usually 4-5 db's....and our TE's can usually only beat one of them (strong safety)...so outside of zone defense, there will be 3-4 defensive backs that could easily handle our TE's....that means ideally...that we need 1 WR to attract double coverage and another to take single coverage...that would isolate the TE(s) on the strong safety or LBs.

By definition, ANY WR commands a CB of some sort...but does Santana contstantly demand double coverage?...NO. So....my long point is this.
I see our base package as 2 WR, 2 TE set, with most of the action going to Santana deep or Cooley over the LB's and in front of the strong safety.

Really, our bread and butter is going to be the matchup with the 2nd best safety with our TE's. They could easily deal with us with the nickle...in that case, we'd hopefully pound the rock up the gut.

The real deal is this, Galloway is merely a deep threat decoy..nothing more...since we need 2 deep threats to open up the middle of the field for TE's...I say, his only competition for that role is D Thomas due to speed. The last thing this team needs is another mid range big target with a lack of burst....we usually call those guys pass catching TE's.

So...what is mostly needed in the passing game at this point?...speed, speed and speed....deep play action outside to legit deep threats...can that be a smaller guy? sure....older guy with speed?....why not....as long as he pulls a CB and occasionally can draw in a safety....it doesn't matter if he catches squat....kinda like a NT's job....we will see how the 2 TE set emerges.

The only other thing we lack is the short passing game....perhaps Portis can do that, or ....should I say it?....Brian Westbrook.
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Agree that we shouldn't give up a 1st but a 2nd I think we should. Hey I think we can win this division without Jackson, it would make it a lil easier with him though.
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I doubt we go after this guy....all I can say is watch the speed WR's on the roster...those are the ones that will stay (assuming they can catch)
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