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Old 07-18-2010, 10:49 PM   #16
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Re: ARE: "Zorn never had a real chance"

I'm so done with last year. Bring on training camp!
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Old 07-18-2010, 11:23 PM   #17
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Re: ARE: "Zorn never had a real chance"

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I also remember after Gibbs left, ARE said that Gibbs held the team back as well. So anyway, this isn't meant to bash Randle El. Just saying that he seems to have a lot to discuss, but perhaps not much to really say.

Anyhow, what's done is done. Good luck to Zorn in Baltimore, Randle El in Pittsburgh, and Hail to the Redskins!
ARE was always a joker when it came to his time here in DC. Never seemed to take it seriously and was such a HAM to the camera all the time.

He is the ultimate when it came to "Player Speak".
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Old 07-18-2010, 11:54 PM   #18
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For those of you detracting Zorn as incompetent and only a QB coach be reminded who appointed him as a head coach.

Snyder's meddling did appoint a highly inexperienced coach to make an ass of himself on national television. Head coach should be a selection performed by a capable GM and not someone as inept at competitive football as Dan Snyder.

Like it or not, Zorn's huge shortcomings are directly reflected on Snyder's hands on meddling.



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Old 07-19-2010, 12:00 AM   #19
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Re: ARE: "Zorn never had a real chance"

Dan hired Zorn at the recomendation of Vinny Cerato. You can't put it all on Dan.
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Old 07-19-2010, 12:59 AM   #20
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Re: ARE: "Zorn never had a real chance"

It was a giant Cluster**##@ all the away around. excuse my language
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Old 07-19-2010, 02:30 AM   #21
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Dan and Vinny were hoping to strike it lucky and pull an inexperienced assistant like Zorn and watch him develop into another Joe Gibbs. The difference is that Joe was brought in by Bobby and Jack. They kinda knew what they were doing.
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Old 07-19-2010, 07:12 AM   #22
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Re: ARE: "Zorn never had a real chance"

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For those of you detracting Zorn as incompetent and only a QB coach be reminded who appointed him as a head coach.

Snyder's meddling did appoint a highly inexperienced coach to make an ass of himself on national television. Head coach should be a selection performed by a capable GM and not someone as inept at competitive football as Dan Snyder.

Like it or not, Zorn's huge shortcomings are directly reflected on Snyder's hands on meddling.



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Except for the fact that Zorn's hiring was actually Cerrato's move. Had it been Snyder's call it most likely would have been Fassel, but he and Cerrato wouldn't get along. And Snyder made the decision to entrust all football and administrative decisions to Cerrato. And Cerrato wanted Zorn.

So if you're going to blame Snyder for anything, blame him for giving complete control to Cerrato.
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Old 07-19-2010, 08:10 AM   #23
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Another thing that i'm surprised nobody has talked about was the fact that nobody in the organization would support Zorn's decisions.

For example, it's been known that Zorn wanted to bench certain players, but he was told in no uncertain terms who he could play. We know he wanted to discipline portis for not practicing and refusing to workout and stuff, but Portis was always in Snyder's pocket so it never happened.

The bottom line is that he really didn't have a chance here. Cerrato already appointed the roster and Zorn knew he could not make changes to it as he wanted. Very sad really, but that has been the state of this franchise for the past 11 years, hopefully it is now turned around.
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Old 07-19-2010, 08:26 AM   #24
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So if you're going to blame Snyder for anything, blame him for giving complete control to Cerrato.
Bingo...

The problem since DS has the held the team have been twofold. Initially too much DS involvement. Then when Gibbs came along he scaled that back. Then when Gibbs left he gave everything to Vinny...and Vinny wasn't very good. End of story. Is it time for training camp yet?
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ARE is a gadget play player they never should have signed, I'm glad he's gone. I still think Zorn could be successful with the right players. The biggest thing that went against Zorn is that he didnt have a functional QB and because of that he was really hamstrung with what he was trying to do. I think if Zorn had McNabb he'd have better results.
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Another thing that i'm surprised nobody has talked about was the fact that nobody in the organization would support Zorn's decisions.

For example, it's been known that Zorn wanted to bench certain players, but he was told in no uncertain terms who he could play. We know he wanted to discipline portis for not practicing and refusing to workout and stuff, but Portis was always in Snyder's pocket so it never happened.

The bottom line is that he really didn't have a chance here. Cerrato already appointed the roster and Zorn knew he could not make changes to it as he wanted. Very sad really, but that has been the state of this franchise for the past 11 years, hopefully it is now turned around.
Wasn't Cerrato who said "You need to go get Shaun Alexander"

Zorn probably shouldn't have been hired in the first place and given a job he likely didn't deserve, but don't blame him for accepting it. Still, let's not totally absolve him of any blame simply because he's a good guy.
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Old 07-19-2010, 09:46 AM   #27
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Zorn was horrible, ARE was horrible, Vinny was horrible. everybody had equal opportunity to do something. The problem is they were all overpaid and horrible at what they did. end of story.
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Old 07-19-2010, 10:32 AM   #28
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Im not absolving Zorn of blame totally. I really dont think that it was all his fault totally. It's just his general ineptitude coupled with the team problems as a whole doomed us.

Anyway, i'm so over 2009.
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Who is this ARE fella?
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Im not absolving Zorn of blame totally. I really dont think that it was all his fault totally. It's just his general ineptitude coupled with the team problems as a whole doomed us.

Anyway, i'm so over 2009.
In industry if somebody takes a position that's way above their head part of the problem lies with them. A larger part may lie with whomever hired him, but you need to respect the position that you're willing to accept. Zorn would have a hard time finding an OC job right now which honestly was a stretch with his initial hiring. He may be a fine QB coach if you attribute Charlie Batch and Matt Hasselbeck to him but there was nothing indicating that he was ready for the next step in my opinion.
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