ARE: "Zorn never had a real chance"

Longtimefan · 07-19-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I also remember after Gibbs left, ARE said that Gibbs held the team back as well. So anyway, this isn't meant to bash Randle El. Just saying that he seems to have a lot to discuss, but perhaps not much to really say.

Anyhow, what's done is done. Good luck to Zorn in Baltimore, Randle El in Pittsburgh, and Hail to the Redskins!

You know this article appears a little strange to me. I can't remember just where, but recently I read where RE actually praised the Redskin organization and the coaching staff, chalked their lack of a better winning percentage on thing out of their control [like injuries] etc.

I'll say this for RE, he may have fallen short of everyone's expectations, but he never trashed his teammates.

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 07-19-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dblanch66

Dan and Vinny were hoping to strike it lucky and pull an inexperienced assistant like Zorn and watch him develop into another Joe Gibbs. The difference is that Joe was brought in by Bobby and Jack. They kinda knew what they were doing.

Very good point. Vinny and Dan, as a team, were gamblers who would basically flip a coin and hope for success.

mredskins · 07-19-2010, 02:23 PM

All Zorn did was erase erase Steve Spurrier as the worst coach in Redskin history.

SolidSnake84 · 07-19-2010, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mredskins

All Zorn did was erase erase Steve Spurrier as the worst coach in Redskin history.

I dont think Zorn was THAT bad....come on guys

Mattyk · 07-19-2010, 02:32 PM

I'm really done with rehashing the Zorn era, but the guy was pretty damn bad. I still think Spurrier was worse, simply because Spurrier wasn't a NFL guy and didn't want to put in the work, but Zorn was pretty much a joke of a head coach in many ways.

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 07-19-2010, 03:31 PM

Spurrier was the worst ever, as he was so out of his league it wasn't even funny. The same could be said for Zorn, but at least he put in the work to try and get better. He also was always an NFL guy. Spurrier was a guy who loved golf, not the NFL.

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 07-19-2010, 08:43 PM

Cooley wieghed in as well with the Washington Post.

D.C. Sports Bog - Cooley says Zorn lost the locker room

tryfuhl · 07-19-2010, 09:24 PM

quiet offseason so far for Cooley

any insight to what's behind that?

skinsfan69 · 07-19-2010, 10:33 PM

we've got a professional NFL head coach so really no need to talk about zorn. it's over and done with.

Hog1 · 07-19-2010, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I dont think Zorn was THAT bad....come on guys

To his credit....JZ had help (idiot VC) with his ineptitude.
Spurrier did it on his own.......

SBXVII · 07-20-2010, 11:36 AM

Not sure how an owner can hinder the horrid scheme or play calls, but what I'd really like to know is how DS effected ARE's unproductiveness?

Mechanix544 · 07-20-2010, 11:41 AM

Zorn was bad, but not Spurrier bad..........and you have to wonder, if he had bruce allen instead of vinny at the helm, would he have been more successful? I think the answer in short would be yes. But, noone in the NFL cares about circumstances, its all about the bottom line, and in that sense, he failed.

GTripp0012 · 07-20-2010, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Not sure how an owner can hinder the horrid scheme or play calls, but what I'd really like to know is how DS effected ARE's unproductiveness?

I think horrid play calls is a lot of revisionist history, re: Zorn. Situationally, the play calls were fine.

Ultimately, the Zorn playbook didn't have enough plays designed to attack opponents major weaknesses, which hardly mattered on a game-to-game basis, but over two years, the lack of big plays really added up. He had 1,000 different ways to convert a 3rd and 5 (all of which involves the necessity to block a three man rush with five guys), but too often, Zorn's best 1st and 10 (or 2nd and 3) play was a stretch run from a power formation. This figures to not be a problem with either Shanahan, and particularly with McNabb and play action.

Mattyk · 07-20-2010, 12:00 PM

Yeah I would say Zorn's offense lacked imagination and was very vanilla more than anything.

Mechanix544 · 07-20-2010, 12:04 PM

very very COUNTRY VANILLA BEAN Vanilla, frikkin running the same dive play within the 5 yd line. And when he tried to show that he had imagination, the trick plays he called looked absolutely ridiculous, silly and pathetic.

07-19-2010, 02:23 PM	#33
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07-19-2010, 02:32 PM	#35
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,737	Re: ARE: "Zorn never had a real chance" I'm really done with rehashing the Zorn era, but the guy was pretty damn bad. I still think Spurrier was worse, simply because Spurrier wasn't a NFL guy and didn't want to put in the work, but Zorn was pretty much a joke of a head coach in many ways. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

07-19-2010, 03:31 PM	#36
artmonkforhallofamein07 HST - "Hey Rube" Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charleston , SC Posts: 3,909	Re: ARE: "Zorn never had a real chance" Spurrier was the worst ever, as he was so out of his league it wasn't even funny. The same could be said for Zorn, but at least he put in the work to try and get better. He also was always an NFL guy. Spurrier was a guy who loved golf, not the NFL. __________________ Robert Griffin III welcome to the Washington Redskins! Year 1 - NFC EAST Champions at 10-6 Year 2 - Comeback player of the year??? 12-4??? Divisional round playoff game at home??? Superbowl??? 8-8 or worse??? We just have to wait impatiently to find out. http://site.fandangoracinginc.com/ Last edited by artmonkforhallofamein07; 07-19-2010 at 10:14 PM. Reason: error

07-19-2010, 08:43 PM	#37
artmonkforhallofamein07 HST - "Hey Rube" Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charleston , SC Posts: 3,909	Re: ARE: "Zorn never had a real chance" Cooley wieghed in as well with the Washington Post. D.C. Sports Bog - Cooley says Zorn lost the locker room __________________ Robert Griffin III welcome to the Washington Redskins! Year 1 - NFC EAST Champions at 10-6 Year 2 - Comeback player of the year??? 12-4??? Divisional round playoff game at home??? Superbowl??? 8-8 or worse??? We just have to wait impatiently to find out. http://site.fandangoracinginc.com/

07-19-2010, 09:24 PM	#38
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 29 Posts: 12,512	Re: ARE: "Zorn never had a real chance" quiet offseason so far for Cooley any insight to what's behind that?

07-19-2010, 10:33 PM	#39
skinsfan69 Franchise Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA. Posts: 8,105	Re: ARE: "Zorn never had a real chance" we've got a professional NFL head coach so really no need to talk about zorn. it's over and done with.

07-20-2010, 11:36 AM	#41
SBXVII Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,498	Re: ARE: "Zorn never had a real chance" Not sure how an owner can hinder the horrid scheme or play calls, but what I'd really like to know is how DS effected ARE's unproductiveness?

07-20-2010, 11:41 AM	#42
Mechanix544 The Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fort Bliss, TX Posts: 2,044	Re: ARE: "Zorn never had a real chance" Zorn was bad, but not Spurrier bad..........and you have to wonder, if he had bruce allen instead of vinny at the helm, would he have been more successful? I think the answer in short would be yes. But, noone in the NFL cares about circumstances, its all about the bottom line, and in that sense, he failed. __________________ Ain't Nothin Like a Good B Western. YEEHAW

07-20-2010, 12:00 PM	#44
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,737	Re: ARE: "Zorn never had a real chance" Yeah I would say Zorn's offense lacked imagination and was very vanilla more than anything. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

07-20-2010, 12:04 PM	#45
Mechanix544 The Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fort Bliss, TX Posts: 2,044	Re: ARE: "Zorn never had a real chance" very very COUNTRY VANILLA BEAN Vanilla, frikkin running the same dive play within the 5 yd line. And when he tried to show that he had imagination, the trick plays he called looked absolutely ridiculous, silly and pathetic. __________________ Ain't Nothin Like a Good B Western. YEEHAW

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