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Old 08-16-2010, 10:33 AM   #46
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Saden1, I agree with you on all counts except that I did have confidence in K.Shanahan. He's a proven commodity. He proved himself in Houston. My concern was would his pass happy offense gel with his fathers run happy offense? I was worried we would end up with the Gibb2/Saunders failed expierment. Although Gibbs used a man to man blocking style and Saunders used zone I believe. So knowing both Shanahan's used zone blocking probably wouldn't be as big a deal. It seemed to work out fine.
I think for the most part this is Kyle Shanahan's offense we're seeing. I'm sure Mike has some input, but this is Kyle's show.
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Old 08-16-2010, 10:36 AM   #47
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For the first preseason game I was pretty happy with the way we played across the board. I actually think its good for players to make mistakes in preseason because they can learn from them. I do get mad at lazy uninspired play which I did not see Friday night.
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London Fletcher: So glad I was wrong about going after him. It's like he's been playing ILB in the 3-4 his whole career. Very lucky to have him on our team

Ryan Torain: He runs too high? So did Eric Dickerson. Anyhow, happy to see him run well, otherwise all my praise of him would have been for naught. More importantly though, nice to see him back on the field less than two years after tearing his ACL.

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Chad Rinehart: So sad I was wrong about drafting him. Maybe he's just not totally healthy yet, but while everyone talks about cutting Kelly and whether he was a busted draft pick; I'm more concerned with Rinehart. Not sure there's a place for him on this roster

Maake: Didn't seem to get much penetration at DT. He takes up space, but wasn't much of a difference maker
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I agree, I didn't like that we brought him in in the first place.
why? he didn't keep any young studs from getting signed
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I think for the most part this is Kyle Shanahan's offense we're seeing. I'm sure Mike has some input, but this is Kyle's show.
There are a lot of similarities to Denver's offense though...moving the QB out of the pocket and having receivers (including TE) at various depths right in front of the QB. Also, the pulling linemen and straight-ahead running game.

Not surprising if Kyle's system mirrors his father's though. But you're right, Kyle is calling the shots...even if he learned from his father.
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There are a lot of similarities to Denver's offense though...moving the QB out of the pocket and having receivers (including TE) at various depths right in front of the QB. Also, the pulling linemen and straight-ahead running game.

Not surprising if Kyle's system mirrors his father's though. But you're right, Kyle is calling the shots...even if he learned from his father.
Oh yeah no doubt there are similarities. I was just making the point there's no melding of systems like we saw with Gibbs/Saunders or Zorn's passing game mixed with Gibbs' running game.
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London Fletcher: So glad I was wrong about going after him. It's like he's been playing ILB in the 3-4 his whole career. Very lucky to have him on our team

Ryan Torain: He runs too high? So did Eric Dickerson. Anyhow, happy to see him run well, otherwise all my praise of him would have been for naught. More importantly though, nice to see him back on the field less than two years after tearing his ACL.

Minus:

Chad Rinehart: So sad I was wrong about drafting him. Maybe he's just not totally healthy yet, but while everyone talks about cutting Kelly and whether he was a busted draft pick; I'm more concerned with Rinehart. Not sure there's a place for him on this roster

Maake: Didn't seem to get much penetration at DT. He takes up space, but wasn't much of a difference maker
Taking up space is pretty much his job though. If he's penetrating much at NT, something's not right.
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Oh yeah no doubt there are similarities. I was just making the point there's no melding of systems like we saw with Gibbs/Saunders or Zorn's passing game mixed with Gibbs' running game.
Funny how HC's can come from the same coaching tree and yet have totally different looking styles. I so bad want to know which offense McNabb likes batter this one or his old Eagles. I know the answer would be politically correct though and he most likely would say this one.

I look at Reids scheme and it looks old and tired and slow sometimes. It almost does not look like anything that came out of San Fran. I look at Holmgrens and it too looks slow sometimes but at times with the Seahawks it looked similar to Shanahan's which looks fast to me. I remember yrs ago people talking about the WCO supposed to be fast and needing smaller OL to get it done. Reid loves his big fat slow lineman.
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What I saw from RG Rinehart (#77) was solid. Maybe you've mistaken for RT Oldenburg (#68).
He was getting blown up almost every play and he gave up two sacks.
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Kelly won't practice tomorrow.. chances "very very slim" that he plays against Ravens

"Obviously, if he can't practice, he can't show me anything"
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Kelly won't practice tomorrow.. chances "very very slim" that he plays against Ravens

"Obviously, if he can't practice, he can't show me anything"
I feel kinda bad for the guy. He seems like a good kid but his body just keeps letting him down.
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why? he didn't keep any young studs from getting signed
He just seemed like unnecessary camp fodderthat was keeping younger guys from getting snaps. In retrospect Kelly is doing that all by himself.
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Taking up space is pretty much his job though. If he's penetrating much at NT, something's not right.
To clarify, meant he takes up space as in he was just there. But I didn't really notice him either penetrating or helping others (a la Haynesworth and Perry Riley). I also saw him get pushed back a bit. Overall, not totally impressed. Still early though
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London Fletcher: So glad I was wrong about going after him. It's like he's been playing ILB in the 3-4 his whole career. Very lucky to have him on our team

Ryan Torain: He runs too high? So did Eric Dickerson. Anyhow, happy to see him run well, otherwise all my praise of him would have been for naught. More importantly though, nice to see him back on the field less than two years after tearing his ACL.

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Chad Rinehart: So sad I was wrong about drafting him. Maybe he's just not totally healthy yet, but while everyone talks about cutting Kelly and whether he was a busted draft pick; I'm more concerned with Rinehart. Not sure there's a place for him on this roster

Maake: Didn't seem to get much penetration at DT. He takes up space, but wasn't much of a difference maker
SS.... Who is the player Fletcher is referring too?
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SS.... Who is the player Fletcher is referring too?
What?
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