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Old 10-14-2010, 02:57 PM   #571
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Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"

You know we might be able to get him for free after this season anyways. Maybe that's why Shanny didn't think twice about not sending picks for him, because he could be had if he ends up a free agent and they don't franchise him next season.
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Old 10-15-2010, 11:21 AM   #572
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Well,looks like the deadline is this coming Tuesday.

I thought of something earlier and wonder what you guys think of this...?

Obviously A.J. Smith wants way more than what the redskins or any team want to pay for Jackson. I believe he wants at LEAST a 2nd rounder and the highest anyone will offer is a 3rd and lower...

There seems to be a lot of interest and talk about teams picking up Shawne Merriman immediately when he's released. (I'm seeing it all over the boards)

The deal is...I believe merriman is on the PUP list and will need to be released as soon as he is healthy again. (Their required to do so apparently)

So here's my thought...?
Apparently we are interested in Merriman too, according to Clayton..(yes,I know it's Clayton,but still) Plus,he would be a very nice addition to the 3-4 defense we want to run.

We are also interested in Jackson,but don't want to give a high pick or what A.J. Smith is wanting..

So I'm wondering...What if we offered a 2nd round pick for Jackson and Merriman?
A.J. would get the pick he wants...(a 2nd rounder)
We would not have to get in any bidding war for the services of Shawne merriman in a trade(same contract he's under)
But the chargers wouldn't get anything for Merriman anyways,since they MUST release him anyways as soon as he is healthy...No draft picks there for them doing that. (THEY must release him immediately) So they get the 2nd rounder they would never had gotten without throwing in merriman...right?

and we don't have to get in any major contract bidding war for his services from all the teams in need of a LB. Right?

Think about it...just because jackson will be a free agent next season,does not mean we will get him because he's a free agent. Other teams will be in the fold then and bruce isn't going to get in a bidding war with him then either..

But trading for VJ now,we can negotiate with him throughout the season and come to an agreement,but with him ON THE TEAM. (and not against 31 NFL teams)

I guess the question is...can a player be traded while on the PUP/IR list?
If so...could we trade for Merriman before he is healthy and they are required to release him...

We trade for LB Shawne Merriman and WR Vincent Jackson and give the chargers our 2nd round pick.

Then we put Shawn Merriman on the inactive list,till he is healthy and ready to play...

We release Roydell Williams and someone else...

Your thoughts..?
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Old 10-15-2010, 11:26 AM   #573
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Ace, the only problem I see with your idea is that Merriman is no longer a very good player. You can put it down to getting off the steroids or his multiple knee injuries but he hasn't been "lights out" for a number of years now. I don't think he would be a good addition to our defense. I also think V jackson is a poor addition to our locker room.
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Ace, the only problem I see with your idea is that Merriman is no longer a very good player. You can put it down to getting off the steroids or his multiple knee injuries but he hasn't been "lights out" for a number of years now. I don't think he would be a good addition to our defense. I also think V jackson is a poor addition to our locker room.
I understand what you're saying...

My thought on this was...Jackson is most likely to many to be worth a 2nd rounder...alone. I mean,Brandon Marshall cost two 2nd rounders...What was Boldin traded for..a 2nd?

VJ is a definate #1 WR that we need. So even if Merriman is no longer any good,it's not like we over paid for a player of VJ's ability...

We would be basically getting Merriman for nothing...Without a bidding war once he's a free agent and with the possibility that a change of scenery and him hitting previous form...A huge steal in a trade.

2 multiple pro bowl caliber players at the cost of a 2nd round pick.
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Old 10-15-2010, 11:31 AM   #575
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Agreed with Jontrem; I would rather not do business at all with AJ Smith if at all possible lol.
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Old 10-15-2010, 11:32 AM   #576
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I don't know what the rules are regarding IR'd players and trading them. Merriman is on IR was some minor injury label.
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Old 10-15-2010, 11:42 AM   #577
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The chargers will still want more than a 2nd rounder, I believe a 5th rounder added would do it.
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I don't know what the rules are regarding IR'd players and trading them. Merriman is on IR was some minor injury label.
I've never heard of this situation before either. I always thought IR meant "must be out for whole season, can replace roster spot".

From reports I've heard, he must be RELEASED when healthy, so I have not heard if they're allowed to trade him.
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I've never heard of this situation before either. I always thought IR meant "must be out for whole season, can replace roster spot".

From reports I've heard, he must be RELEASED when healthy, so I have not heard if they're allowed to trade him.
Since he has to be released in just a few weeks, there is little motivation to trade for him.
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Well,looks like the deadline is this coming Tuesday.

I thought of something earlier and wonder what you guys think of this...?

Obviously A.J. Smith wants way more than what the redskins or any team want to pay for Jackson. I believe he wants at LEAST a 2nd rounder and the highest anyone will offer is a 3rd and lower...

There seems to be a lot of interest and talk about teams picking up Shawne Merriman immediately when he's released. (I'm seeing it all over the boards)

The deal is...I believe merriman is on the PUP list and will need to be released as soon as he is healthy again. (Their required to do so apparently)

So here's my thought...?
Apparently we are interested in Merriman too, according to Clayton..(yes,I know it's Clayton,but still) Plus,he would be a very nice addition to the 3-4 defense we want to run.

We are also interested in Jackson,but don't want to give a high pick or what A.J. Smith is wanting..

So I'm wondering...What if we offered a 2nd round pick for Jackson and Merriman?
A.J. would get the pick he wants...(a 2nd rounder)
We would not have to get in any bidding war for the services of Shawne merriman in a trade(same contract he's under)
But the chargers wouldn't get anything for Merriman anyways,since they MUST release him anyways as soon as he is healthy...No draft picks there for them doing that. (THEY must release him immediately) So they get the 2nd rounder they would never had gotten without throwing in merriman...right?

and we don't have to get in any major contract bidding war for his services from all the teams in need of a LB. Right?

Think about it...just because jackson will be a free agent next season,does not mean we will get him because he's a free agent. Other teams will be in the fold then and bruce isn't going to get in a bidding war with him then either..

But trading for VJ now,we can negotiate with him throughout the season and come to an agreement,but with him ON THE TEAM. (and not against 31 NFL teams)

I guess the question is...can a player be traded while on the PUP/IR list?
If so...could we trade for Merriman before he is healthy and they are required to release him...

We trade for LB Shawne Merriman and WR Vincent Jackson and give the chargers our 2nd round pick.

Then we put Shawn Merriman on the inactive list,till he is healthy and ready to play...

We release Roydell Williams and someone else...

Your thoughts..?
My thoughts: I'll puke my guts out if we trade our 2nd for either of those two clowns.
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My thoughts: I'll puke my guts out if we trade our 2nd for either of those two clowns.

Agree 100%

Why do ppl think we are still trading for VJ???? If Allen wanted him, he would have been here by now.. And a 2nd rounder? Come on dude, you would be the same guy bitching next draft when we wouldn't have any picks.

Plus VJ would have to learn Shanny's system.. Not happenening
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Agree 100%

Why do ppl think we are still trading for VJ???? If Allen wanted him, he would have been here by now.. And a 2nd rounder? Come on dude, you would be the same guy bitching next draft when we wouldn't have any picks.

Plus VJ would have to learn Shanny's system.. Not happenening
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Another thing about VJ, he doesn't play special teams. We know what happens to those kind of players.
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I know it's only five games & five games doesn't make a season, but based on how we are playing now free agent players will be begging to play for us next season. They see the direction we are going in, it will no longer be based on the $$$$ we can give them.
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I know it's only five games & five games doesn't make a season, but based on how we are playing now free agent players will be begging to play for us next season. They see the direction we are going in, it will no longer be based on the $$$$ we can give them.
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