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Old 09-01-2010, 11:25 AM   #46
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Anderson has actually put up good numbers at one point in his career, with the Browns.

Leinart has been HORRIBLE in every chance he's gotten, with weapons like Fitz and Boldin...on a team where his replacement took the team to the Super Bowl.

No, Anderson didn't deserve that huge contract from Cleveland after one good year, but he was better than Brady Quinn (who isn't?) and he's better than Leinart too.

Anderson: 2007 - 3,787 yds, 29 TDs, 19 INTs, 3 rushing TDs, 82.5 rating
Career = 46 TDs, 45 INTs

Leinart's best year: 2006 - 2,547 tds, 11 TDs, 12 INTs, 2 rushing TDs, 74.0 rating
Career = 14 TDs, 20 INTs
Still had 19 Ints and that was a fluke year, not saying Leinart is Kurt Warner but he's better than Derek Anderson
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Old 09-01-2010, 11:28 AM   #47
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OK, we'll let your heart tell you that, since feelings are more accurate than statistics.
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OK, we'll let your heart tell you that, since feelings are more accurate than statistics.
Did I say that?? Stats don't tell the whole story, both guys suck but if I had a choice Leinart is the less of two evils.
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Flip a coin between Leinart and Anderson. They both aren't very good. At least DA has somewhat of a track record in this league and has enjoyed some success. Leinart can't even nail down a starting job.

I think the Cards are going with DA because he will at least let it rip and go down the field. Leinart is known as Mr. Check Down. Not the best use of your weapons when you have Fitz, Breaston, Doucet, etc.
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Someone tell me why Marko's been cut by three teams in less than six months

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Now that Kelly is gone, it would be nice to see him come back if just to find him a spot on the practice squad.
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Flip a coin between Leinart and Anderson. They both aren't very good. At least DA has somewhat of a track record in this league and has enjoyed some success. Leinart can't even nail down a starting job.

I think the Cards are going with DA because he will at least let it rip and go down the field. Leinart is known as Mr. Check Down. Not the best use of your weapons when you have Fitz, Breaston, Doucet, etc.
Yeah I think that's pretty much it.

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Yeah I think that's pretty much it.

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If Skelton comes through this whole convo is a moot point.
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Did I say that?? Stats don't tell the whole story, both guys suck but if I had a choice Leinart is the less of two evils.
Yes...

I'm not denying they're both mediocre-to-bad QBs...but I believe DA is the better of the two, and it seems the Cards' coaching staff and stats seem to agree.

Leinart has had so many chances, and flopped on all of them. They're giving him a longer leash than we gave Ramsey or Campbell. It's time to just cut their losses and move on.

USC QBs don't have a good track record in the NFL. Of Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Sean Salisbury, Rodney Peete, Pat Haden, Matt Cassel, Bill Nelsen, Pete Beathard, Vince Evans, Paul McDonald, Todd Marinovich, Rob Johnson and John David Booty, only Carson Palmer has really had any extended success.
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Anderson has actually put up good numbers at one point in his career, with the Browns.

Leinart has been HORRIBLE in every chance he's gotten, with weapons like Fitz and Boldin...on a team where his replacement took the team to the Super Bowl.

No, Anderson didn't deserve that huge contract from Cleveland after one good year, but he was better than Brady Quinn (who isn't?) and he's better than Leinart too.

Anderson: 2007 - 3,787 yds, 29 TDs, 19 INTs, 3 rushing TDs, 82.5 rating
Career = 46 TDs, 45 INTs

Leinart's best year: 2006 - 2,547 tds, 11 TDs, 12 INTs, 2 rushing TDs, 74.0 rating
Career = 14 TDs, 20 INTs
Yeah, but we know Anderson's limits. And you have to remember in his best year, most of him numbers came in one game. Take away the Bengals game in 2007 and he has a QB rating of 79.

Leinart on the other hand knows the offense. He has 3 years of experience with it. On top of that he played well against the Saints in the playoffs last year after Warner went out. Further more he has had a solid preseason. Now either the Cardinals are putting way to much emphasis on preseason games, maybe even so much as game planning, or they just don't like Leinart.

All I know is that Leinart has at least shown enough to get the nod for the first quarter of the season. If things go stale then bring in Anderson, but until then see what you have in Leinart. I mean you need a game manager anyway, God knows he's capable of pulling that off.
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You have to hate the way Leinart is dealing with being demoted too.
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You have to hate the way Leinart is dealing with being demoted too.
If I'm the Cardinals I'm probably more upset if he says yeah that's cool. At least he's getting angry about it, saying he wants to be the starter. That's what you want to hear from your young QB
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If I'm the Cardinals I'm probably more upset if he says yeah that's cool. At least he's getting angry about it, saying he wants to be the starter. That's what you want to hear from your young QB
He can be angry about it, but there's a right way to handle it too though. Sure he wants to be the starter, but he hasn't earned it. He doesn't seem to see that.
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If I'm the Cardinals I'm probably more upset if he says yeah that's cool. At least he's getting angry about it, saying he wants to be the starter. That's what you want to hear from your young QB
"Yeah, film study was kind of cutting into my party time. So when they like told me that DA was gonna be the starter I was like 'yeah wicked bro.' I could use a trip to Cancun. Then I realized I was kind of banned from Cancun, so that was kind of a bummer. But hey there's always the Caribbean, nope banned from there to. Something about harboring a felon, an endangered species of fish, and a stick of dynamite by the coral reefs."
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Yes...

I'm not denying they're both mediocre-to-bad QBs...but I believe DA is the better of the two, and it seems the Cards' coaching staff and stats seem to agree.

Leinart has had so many chances, and flopped on all of them. They're giving him a longer leash than we gave Ramsey or Campbell. It's time to just cut their losses and move on.

USC QBs don't have a good track record in the NFL. Of Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Sean Salisbury, Rodney Peete, Pat Haden, Matt Cassel, Bill Nelsen, Pete Beathard, Vince Evans, Paul McDonald, Todd Marinovich, Rob Johnson and John David Booty, only Carson Palmer has really had any extended success.
Carson Palmer is not a bad QB. Injuries are what has derailed him that past few years.
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You have to hate the way Leinart is dealing with being demoted too.
Yes and no, I guess it is a good thing he is fired up about losing and Smoot I understand your point you do want that fire out of a young Qb after he is demoted again, to second string.

BUT : keep that fire with the coaching staff, the players, and bring that back out onto the field and compete harder and better than you have before. Pratice throwing the ball into trash cans if helps, study harder in the film room, work on your mechanics, work with the coaches and try and get better.

DO NOT go to the media and act like a spoiled kid or an entitled player. The coaches in Arizona have spent the last 3 seasons grading and analyzing him in practice. They know what they are getting in Matt, if they were so thrilled with him and thought he was that IT guy to take over this team, they would have not brought in Derek Anderson.

His comment on I want to be traded to a team and start now in the NFL, well this guy does not really get the professional game at all. There are 32 teams in the NFL with only a handful of QBs in this league. All 31 teams in the NFL have QBs on thier rosters who have been working for the past 9 months trying to perfect the schemes, working with thier WR, TE and RBs, and understanding there coaches. If you look at every team in the NFL right now they do know who will be starting QB for there team in week 1. If anyone can name a team where you know Matt Lienert would go in there and start right away, I would love to know who it is.

The guy does not have it. He may one day, but I highly doubt it.

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