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Old 09-15-2010, 04:51 AM   #31
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I watched parts of the game again.
And Ruhskins is right Cooley was open.

Armstrong might have been the WR for that particular play at that particular time.
But, not for the reason everyone thinks but because he was coming into the game cold.
1) He had barely been on the field and wasn't targeted on any pass plays until then.
How's this for pressure his very 1st NFL pass target was a stutter fade in the RZ against a top NFL CB/bitter division rival.

2) Armstrong was the wrong choice on that particular play was as Ruhskins pointed out: Cooley was more open for a much easier throw and catch if McNabb had waiting a nose hair longer.
The worst part is that Cooley was open again on the second play too.

I'm sure this is one of the plays McNabb regrets from the game that he mentioned in his press conference and on his radio show.
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Old 09-15-2010, 08:41 AM   #32
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I watched parts of the game again.
And Ruhskins is right Cooley was open.

Armstrong might have been the WR for that particular play at that particular time.
But, not for the reason everyone thinks but because he was coming into the game cold.
1) He had barely been on the field and wasn't targeted on any pass plays until then.
How's this for pressure his very 1st NFL pass target was a stutter fade in the RZ against a top NFL CB/bitter division rival.

2) Armstrong was the wrong choice on that particular play was as Ruhskins pointed out: Cooley was more open for a much easier throw and catch if McNabb had waiting a nose hair longer.
The worst part is that Cooley was open again on the second play too.

I'm sure this is one of the plays McNabb regrets from the game that he mentioned in his press conference and on his radio show.
I've read a couple of places that Armstrong was the right read on that play because of the blitz Dallas came with..

On the more general topic, I expect that Thomas will be the #2 WR by season's end. He's put together some good games last season and once he earns Kyle's trust/respect I think he will earn a role in the offense.
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Old 09-15-2010, 08:53 AM   #33
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give the dude a break! They only thing I am sick of seeing is having 6'2'' WR sitting on the bench when running those plays. Two beastly TE not in the passing route in the redzone. It killed me for two years when we had Kelly and Tomas sitting on the bench during redzone possessions. you dont have to know too many freaking routes when your down there. Lob the damn ball up and let the freaking WR's make plays on the ball. Is there something in the Redskin history rule book that says we are not allowed to run that play???? Every damn NFL team in the league runs that play, except us. Kills me!!!!!!!!!
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Old 09-15-2010, 09:34 AM   #34
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In terms of the 2nd pass. I remember in the off-season MS saying something to the effect that he will do that sometimes, especially if the player knows he ought to have caught it, as kind of a way to redeem himself.
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Old 09-15-2010, 09:35 AM   #35
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Height wasn't a factor on those passes to him anyway. He flat out dropped the first and the 2nd was well defended.
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Old 09-15-2010, 09:47 AM   #36
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Guys I think all of this will normalize this week against Houston. Armstrong will have more catches and Arian Foster will have fewer runs. I don't see Foster going for 230 yards against us and I also don't see us only scoring 13 points either. Will we win? I don't know, but every week is different and I think Houston realized they could run on the Colts and keep Manning off the field and they did so successfully, which was good game planning. I think McNabb will be more successful every week and get more players involved. I also predict a 100 yard week out of Portis. I don't know who has the advantage on Game Planning this week, with Houston knowing what we will do and Kyle Shannahan knowing what they will do. Either way, Houston doesn't know what Hasslet is going to do that's for sure!
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Old 09-15-2010, 09:53 AM   #37
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I've read a couple of places that Armstrong was the right read on that play because of the blitz Dallas came with..
Really where did you read that?
I would be interested to see that b/c if you listened to the presser or the interview he seems to spefically refering to this play (at least the second time) as a mistake/throw he would like to have back.
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On the more general topic, I expect that Thomas will be the #2 WR by season's end. He's put together some good games last season and once he earns Kyle's trust/respect I think he will earn a role in the offense.
IF he earns the Kyle's trust and right now he seems pretty fair away from that considering that he can't get on the field.
But, either way wether its by committee or someone steps up i have full confidence that our passing game will be fine.
There were WRs open yesterday and there were plays that were missed and mistakes that were made that will be minimized as the season progresses.
The passing game will improve as McNabb and Kyle gets more comfortable with each other and with the receivers.
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Old 09-15-2010, 10:03 AM   #38
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On point comments:

1. Armstrong should have caught the first fade pass. If he wants to play in the NFL, he'd better start making the plays he needs to make. I'm not throwing him under the bus. He just needs to make the tough catches to stick.

2. I think that using Devin Thomas, who has a longer reach and good hands, might have been a good choice for that play. Nevertheless, I admit that I don't know how well (or poorly) Devin runs that play. Fred Davis could have been used there, as well.

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1. Our WR corps is weak. Very weak. We need to stop kidding ourselves about that.

2. If Vincent Jackson's suspension is reduced to three games on Thursday, then Shanahan should offer SD his left nut in trade for Vincent. He would solve part of our WR problems.

3. If the Skins don't trust Brandon Banks enough to use him as a KR or WR, they might as well put him on the taxi squad and bring up Terrence Austin who I think can play WR in this league.
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I'm confused, hasnt it been one game? Didnt he have a good pre-season?

How about we just wait and see...
I would agree...however, what I don't get was all the love for this guy, then he gets targeted 5 times, 2 in the end zone (1 VERY catchable) and ends up with only 1 catch for 11 yards? Why are we even targeting him in the endzone anyway? We target a no body like Armstrong twice in the endzone on the same designed play, but not once target Davis who is 6'4"?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not only calling out Armstrong, I am calling out the play calling.
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On point comments:

1. Armstrong should have caught the first fade pass. If he wants to play in the NFL, he'd better start making the plays he needs to make. I'm not throwing him under the bus. He just needs to make the tough catches to stick.

2. I think that using Devin Thomas, who has a longer reach and good hands, might have been a good choice for that play. Nevertheless, I admit that I don't know how well (or poorly) Devin runs that play. Fred Davis could have been used there, as well.

Related comments:

1. Our WR corps is weak. Very weak. We need to stop kidding ourselves about that.

2. If Vincent Jackson's suspension is reduced to three games on Thursday, then Shanahan should offer SD his left nut in trade for Vincent. He would solve part of our WR problems.

3. If the Skins don't trust Brandon Banks enough to use him as a KR or WR, they might as well put him on the taxi squad and bring up Terrence Austin who I think can play WR in this league.
You're absolutely right.

What is going on with Banks anyway...I liked that kid in the preseason. He has major speed and he can make our return game explosive. Then again, who knows really.
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I am with you he needed to catch that but first off Mike Knows that he should of called a better route than that on the second try second He's a rookie, third that corner was hanging all over him its only uncatchable when their hanging on your neck like a drunk girl at a bar.
Depends on what you consider a rookie. He's a rookie in terms of playing time, but you are aware he was signed by the Dolphins and couldn't crack their lineup last year right? He was signed by the Dolphins in July of 08. Singed to the Dolphins practice squad in Sept 08. Signed to the Dolphins January 09. So it's not like he hasn't been around NFL football. He's 27 and wasn't able to crack the Dolphins lineup for a reason, and he was targeted 5 times vs the cowboys and ony caught 1 pass for a reason.
I do agree the second ball was not catchable, but his route running was suspect as well. I just don't see why people are impressed with this kid. I don't see the potential apparently. Keep in mind, it's not like he didn't play football professionally, he played for Odessa and Dallas (desperados).
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You're absolutely right.

What is going on with Banks anyway...I liked that kid in the preseason. He has major speed and he can make our return game explosive. Then again, who knows really.
They're probably letting him work on holding onto the ball before putting him in a real game. He fumbled once for each great return...literally.

DT was great. By the time he works his way into the starting lineup, Banks will probably get onto return duties.

I'm guessing Roydell will be the odd man out when these two get promoted.
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You're absolutely right.

What is going on with Banks anyway...I liked that kid in the preseason. He has major speed and he can make our return game explosive. Then again, who knows really.
The difference between KC and the Redskins is the Cheifs have to let their young rookies play. Dexter McCluster and Javier Arrenas are rookies but they made a huge impact in the win over San Diego. The Redskins think they have a chance to win this season so they rather play it safe by playing Galloway,instead of Thomas at WR. Also not letting Brandon Banks return KR or PR. Rookies will make mistakes at times but sometimes when you have speed and young legs you will get the big plays.
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Old 09-18-2010, 01:16 AM   #44
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I not going to give up on Armstrong yet because of 1 game but we must remember he has very limited game experence. I can not figure out why it would take 3 years for Devon Thomas to learn how to run NFL routes. They did say he was really raw coming out of Michigan St. So much for OTA's for learning how to run and study.
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Old 09-18-2010, 01:36 AM   #45
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I have been a Redskin fan for many years and for some odd reason we have not had much success drafting wide receivers. The most successful WR we have drafted that I can remember was Art Monk ( Hall Of Famer ). We have drafted over the years at wr people like Desmond Howard ( Michigan) , Michael Westbrook ( Colorado) , Taylor Jacobs ( Florida), Rod Gardener (Clemson) Darnerian McCants, James Thrash (Missouri Southern), Albert Connel ( Texas AM). We have traded for such wr as L. Coles, and S. Moss. We have signed free agents wr Brandon LLoyd , ARE, Andre Reed, Keenan McCardell, Irving Fryer, Gary Clark, Henry Ellard, players at the end of their careers. I did not include Ricky Sanders , Virgil Seay , Charlie Brown, Charlie Taylor just to name a few more because that was so long ago.

Like I was saying we have not done well drafting wr such as more recent Malcom Kelly, Devon Thomas, Marko Mitchell. When will this curse end? So now we have fans looking to trade for another teams wr Vincent Jackson , I guess it maybe wiser to trade for VJ than to waste another pick on a WR.
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