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Old 10-11-2010, 03:07 PM   #31
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Elite D-line
Plaxico
Sheli waking up
Spags
Tyree lucksack
Do we have any of the above?

Elite QB
Defense suddenly tightened up
Fitz and Boldin
Do we have any of the above?

We have a bunch of guys who have already hit their ceilings, and their ceilings are not very high. Expecting guys like Rabach, Hicks, and Lichtensteiger to suddenly perform at a Pro Bowl level is beyond outlandish.
Aside from Armstrong and Moss, our WRs are just ok fillers.
Our D-line has no one worth holding penalties except for Haynesworth and Rak, and Haynesworth is inconsistent.
Dhall is not going to be a shutdown corner, ever.
Carlos Rogers will not catch many game ending ints, ever.
We have a lot more than you want to give us credit for, but what's the point? No one is saying we're a flawless team that's going to coast to the Super Bowl and be carrying the Lombardi Trophy. But we are 3-2, first in our division, and winning key games. But again, what's the point. You just piss on everything and ignore what people say anyway.
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Old 10-11-2010, 03:08 PM   #32
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100% agreed. We get into the playoffs and anything can happen. Veteran players and SB winning coaching tends to help in the playoffs. Right I think we're still playing like an 7-9 team but we're winning games we shouldn't. As long as we continue to get better, and I think we have every week so far, we have a good shot. The key is that we can't look at 3-2 and think it is indicative of how we're playing as a whole. Right now we've played at best to 2-3 and probably more like 1-4.
Certainly room for improvement, I would agree with that for sure
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Old 10-11-2010, 03:20 PM   #33
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We have a lot more than you want to give us credit for, but what's the point? No one is saying we're a flawless team that's going to coast to the Super Bowl and be carrying the Lombardi Trophy. But we are 3-2, first in our division, and winning key games. But again, what's the point. You just piss on everything and ignore what people say anyway.
And recent Super Bowl teams usually dominate in at least one facet of the game, those facets being offense or defense, for the whole year. We're barely keeping afloat everywhere.

I'm not going to be swindled again with the yearly Super Bowl Kool-Aid until I see us stacked with talent like some of the other teams in the league.
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Old 10-11-2010, 03:22 PM   #34
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100% agreed. We get into the playoffs and anything can happen. Veteran players and SB winning coaching tends to help in the playoffs. Right I think we're still playing like an 7-9 team but we're winning games we shouldn't. As long as we continue to get better, and I think we have every week so far, we have a good shot. The key is that we can't look at 3-2 and think it is indicative of how we're playing as a whole. Right now we've played at best to 2-3 and probably more like 1-4.
We should continue to get better...exponentially as the season progress's, possibly more than any other team as we are incorporating new schemes, coaches, players, etc. All aspects should radically improve as the season goes on and familiarity improves.
We may not win the division or get in the playoffs, but we are turning some heads....AS WE SHOULD BE!
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Old 10-11-2010, 03:25 PM   #35
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And recent Super Bowl teams usually dominate in at least one facet of the game, those facets being offense or defense, for the whole year. We're barely keeping afloat everywhere.

I'm not going to be swindled again with the yearly Super Bowl Kool-Aid until I see us stacked with talent like some of the other teams in the league.
Forget this imaginary Super Bowl Kool-Aid you speak of. Do you not appreciate at all that we have won back-to-back key games? That we are 2-0 in the division? That these are games that in the past the players, like the fans, would have given up on after the 1st quarter? Do you not see the positives of the season so far? Do you not realize that before you even play in the Super Bowl you have to make the playoffs and to make the playoffs you have to win games? Does none of that even remotely resonate with you?
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And recent Super Bowl teams usually dominate in at least one facet of the game, those facets being offense or defense, for the whole year. We're barely keeping afloat everywhere.

I'm not going to be swindled again with the yearly Super Bowl Kool-Aid until I see us stacked with talent like some of the other teams in the league.
You mean like Dallas??
How does "SirTonyRomo" sound to you?
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Forget this imaginary Super Bowl Kool-Aid you speak of. Do you not appreciate at all that we have won back-to-back key games? That we are 2-0 in the division? That these are games that in the past the players, like the fans, would have given up on after the 1st quarter? Do you not see the positives of the season so far? Do you not realize that before you even play in the Super Bowl you have to make the playoffs and to make the playoffs you have to win games? Does none of that even remotely resonate with you?
It's obvious to me they're much better than their sorry ass chokes last season in which utter fail gems like ARE's muffed punt or Suish's chip shot choke left me fuming. That is slowly being snuffed out week to week.

They're still not good enough due to the utter neglect of the lines the past few years. Neither lines dominate the LOS, and can name at least a couple teams that do.
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Old 10-11-2010, 03:32 PM   #38
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You mean like Dallas??
How does "SirTonyRomo" sound to you?
On offense, Broncos 2008.
On defense, Pittsburgh.
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Old 10-11-2010, 03:34 PM   #39
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A win is a win, and being 3-2 is a lot better than 2-3 (and we could easily have been 4-1). All of this is pretty positive, and this team does seem to have the will to win, which is unquestionably a change from recent years.

What's troubling me most is our O-line and our D (which are obviously related in that the failure to sustain drives puts our D on the field a lot). But we have shown flashes and shown improvement during games and over the course of the season.

Our team D is last -- dead last -- in the league in yards per game. But we're 9th in the league in points given up. At some point, those yards per game are going to translate into some real points (which hasn't been the case in a couple of games we've played -- yesterday's being a good example), and we don't have the offensive power to score tons of points. So unless we can get better at the O-line somehow (blocking schemes, getting the ball out faster, getting our running game going), if our D will continue to give up these kinds of yards, we're going to start coming up short more often than not.

I do trust, however, that we have good coaches who can figure this out within the limits of the talent we have on the team. And winning a game like this one should give us confidence that we really can play with anyone.
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Old 10-11-2010, 03:48 PM   #40
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And recent Super Bowl teams usually dominate in at least one facet of the game, those facets being offense or defense, for the whole year. We're barely keeping afloat everywhere.

I'm not going to be swindled again with the yearly Super Bowl Kool-Aid until I see us stacked with talent like some of the other teams in the league.
It seems like you are creating a straw dog argument. No one is seriously talking about the Super Bowl - except for you. I'm not sure I get the point of knocking down a non-argument.

So far this year we have been competitive. I personally am going to enjoy that fact for what it is.
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Forget this imaginary Super Bowl Kool-Aid you speak of. Do you not appreciate at all that we have won back-to-back key games? That we are 2-0 in the division? That these are games that in the past the players, like the fans, would have given up on after the 1st quarter? Do you not see the positives of the season so far? Do you not realize that before you even play in the Super Bowl you have to make the playoffs and to make the playoffs you have to win games? Does none of that even remotely resonate with you?
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Old 10-11-2010, 04:06 PM   #42
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A win is a win, and being 3-2 is a lot better than 2-3 (and we could easily have been 4-1). All of this is pretty positive, and this team does seem to have the will to win, which is unquestionably a change from recent years.

What's troubling me most is our O-line and our D (which are obviously related in that the failure to sustain drives puts our D on the field a lot). But we have shown flashes and shown improvement during games and over the course of the season.

Our team D is last -- dead last -- in the league in yards per game. But we're 9th in the league in points given up. At some point, those yards per game are going to translate into some real points (which hasn't been the case in a couple of games we've played -- yesterday's being a good example), and we don't have the offensive power to score tons of points. So unless we can get better at the O-line somehow (blocking schemes, getting the ball out faster, getting our running game going), if our D will continue to give up these kinds of yards, we're going to start coming up short more often than not.

I do trust, however, that we have good coaches who can figure this out within the limits of the talent we have on the team. And winning a game like this one should give us confidence that we really can play with anyone.
The Saints last year were 25th in total D, but 13th in points allowed. That seems to be the model we are following. We are living by the turnovers, and so far being successful creating and taking advantage of them (mostly). We also have played some very good teams (Rams excluded) and held them in check points wise, this is a better test than last year's 0fers that we ended up looking incompetent against
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Old 10-11-2010, 04:59 PM   #43
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The Best: Winning a hard-fought game in overtime!

The Worst: Negative people who can't enjoy a win and bring me down by nit-picking the ever-lovin' shit out of everything about it.

I am an unabashed Redskins fan and homer from the "Just win, Baby!" school of football. If our untalented but scrappy team manages to luck into enough wins, we'll go to the playoffs, as unworthy as we may be on paper. And I'll love it! Meanwhile, there will be some much more talented teams with cleaner uniforms sitting at home during the playoffs.

Football is played on the field. At the end of the game, the scoreboard tells you who is the better team. The game isn't decided by who has the better looking roster.

I know we're building and that many other teams have more talent than we do. But I'll tell you this: whoever beats us had better bring it on the day they play us because they're in for a fight. Right now, what more can we fans ask of our team?
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Old 10-11-2010, 06:10 PM   #45
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no s those are really good number 14 is my favorite i wish i could copy it but it won't let me. it looks like the ref is trying to console rodgers while at the same time he isn't sure if orakpo is gonna kick his ass and then rip arron rodgers is half. orakpo is a beast.
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