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Old 10-25-2010, 12:57 PM   #31
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Re: Anyone bothered that McNabb STILL has no new contract??

I say at this point in the season, if Shanahan really is grading him per se, then McNabb has really only played "well" in 2 games, hardly enough to merit a contract extension or a big-money deal.
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Old 10-25-2010, 01:05 PM   #32
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I think some are being a little harsh on McNabb. So he is not lighting it up. He is not losing games either. Give him time in this system and let our offensive line develop. The Shanahan's are also learning what works best for our players and they also need more time to get comfortable. It is a two way street. People seem to forget we were a 4-12 team last year and we were embarrassingly awful.
We have come a long way in a short time. Sign McNabb for continuity sake. Then we develop a young QB for the future.
I think the impatient fans bitching about McNabb come from the old/former Dan Snyder school of football where we used to give up on a McNabb and signed a pricey FA instead. Then we are back to a new QB learning our system...again. Patience please. Lets build a team in a 2 to 3 years, instead of one offseason.
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They will get it done and he will be here for awhile. Not worried about it.
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I think some are being a little harsh on McNabb. So he is not lighting it up. He is not losing games either. Give him time in this system and let our offensive line develop. The Shanahan's are also learning what works best for our players and they also need more time to get comfortable. It is a two way street. People seem to forget we were a 4-12 team last year and we were embarrassingly awful.
We have come a long way in a short time. Sign McNabb for continuity sake. Then we develop a young QB for the future.
I think the impatient fans bitching about McNabb come from the old/former Dan Snyder school of football where we used to give up on a McNabb and signed a pricey FA instead. Then we are back to a new QB learning our system...again. Patience please. Lets build a team in a 2 to 3 years, instead of one offseason.
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Agree with you completely! We have got to learn to be somewhat patient and know that not everything is going to be turned around in one year. Snyder seems to be getting it, now we need to.
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I think it's fair for one to be a little worried about McNabb not having a contract. The fact is we traded 2 fairly high draft picks for a 1 year rental. McNabb probably should have agreed to a contract before we spent 2 draft picks for a potential one year player.

I've heard MS wants to "try him out" after 8 games or so. I don't think it's wise nor was it the intention to send 2 draft picks to Phili, for a coach to try him out or see how he performs. That's a big gamble. A trade like this to means that both sides have to be committed long term at the time of the trade for it to be made initially. That's the issue i have. If he or we decide to walk, this was a huge front office blunder.

I do think, though, that it will get done. I'm sure there are things we don't know. It is cause for concern.
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Also, by waiting it puts more pressure on the Skins to get it done and you know what more pressure means right? More money.

If the Skins don't get it done, it will look bad on their part.
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I think some are being a little harsh on McNabb. So he is not lighting it up. He is not losing games either. Give him time in this system and let our offensive line develop. The Shanahan's are also learning what works best for our players and they also need more time to get comfortable. It is a two way street. People seem to forget we were a 4-12 team last year and we were embarrassingly awful.
We have come a long way in a short time. Sign McNabb for continuity sake. Then we develop a young QB for the future.
I think the impatient fans bitching about McNabb come from the old/former Dan Snyder school of football where we used to give up on a McNabb and signed a pricey FA instead. Then we are back to a new QB learning our system...again. Patience please. Lets build a team in a 2 to 3 years, instead of one offseason.
The only reason we did not loose the game yesterday is because Hall had 4 ints. Cannot count on him to make 4 ints. every game. McNabb gave them 7 right away. We did not forget last year but a change in QB was not our only move and we do have new coaches. My problem with McNabb is the easy stuff he keeps throwing into the ground.
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I think some are being a little harsh on McNabb. So he is not lighting it up. He is not losing games either. Give him time in this system and let our offensive line develop. The Shanahan's are also learning what works best for our players and they also need more time to get comfortable. It is a two way street. People seem to forget we were a 4-12 team last year and we were embarrassingly awful.
We have come a long way in a short time. Sign McNabb for continuity sake. Then we develop a young QB for the future.
I think the impatient fans bitching about McNabb come from the old/former Dan Snyder school of football where we used to give up on a McNabb and signed a pricey FA instead. Then we are back to a new QB learning our system...again. Patience please. Lets build a team in a 2 to 3 years, instead of one offseason.
I think he came pretty close to losing that game for us on Sunday. He was out 'tarded by Cutler, but except for the most exquisitely timed delay of game, he almost mind ****ed us into a pick six.
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I think he came pretty close to losing that game for us on Sunday. He was out 'tarded by Cutler, but except for the most exquisitely timed delay of game, he almost mind ****ed us into a pick six.
I forgot about that pick he threw.
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I think it's fair for one to be a little worried about McNabb not having a contract. The fact is we traded 2 fairly high draft picks for a 1 year rental. McNabb probably should have agreed to a contract before we spent 2 draft picks for a potential one year player.

I've heard MS wants to "try him out" after 8 games or so. I don't think it's wise nor was it the intention to send 2 draft picks to Phili, for a coach to try him out or see how he performs. That's a big gamble. A trade like this to means that both sides have to be committed long term at the time of the trade for it to be made initially. That's the issue i have. If he or we decide to walk, this was a huge front office blunder.

I do think, though, that it will get done. I'm sure there are things we don't know. It is cause for concern.
The Skins have given away 2 draft picks for a lot less return than DM has already given. I have heard he's interested in going to Minn to get back with his old coach, if that happens best wishes to him, Shanny will find another solution.

What I'd really like to see is for the Skins to make a serious running at trying to snatch Manning away from Indy.
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If the Skins were to sign McNabb to a new contract this afternoon, they would owe him a tidy sum as a signing bonus. Just for fun, let's say it's $10M because that is a round number.


There is a possibility that there will not be a season next year - - or if there is one it might be an "abbreviated season" that begins in mid to late October. Just for fun, let's say the season starts in mid-October.


When the next season starts, there will be at least some new wrinkles in the salary cap rules because there will be a new CBA. Just for fun, let's say one of the changes is that teams can still pro-rate signing bonuses over the life of the contract BUT there is also a limitation on the total amount of signing bonus money and roster bonus money that can be spent in any single football year- - and that amount is $40M. [That kind of limitation is one of the proposals on the table at the moment. I don't think it will make it into the final agreement but you never know...]


Now, with that kind of uncertainty why would the Skins want to hand McNabb a contract today instead of waiting to see which way the wind is blowing in the contract talks that will start for real in Feb 2011.? Why would Danny Boy want that putative $10M in McNabb's "bank account" instead of his for the next few months?


If the Skins sign McNabb to a new deal this season, you can be certain that Mike Shanahan is 200% sure that Donovan McNabb is the answer as the Skins' QB for at least the next 3 seasons - - because it will take 3 seasons to amortize enough of the signing bonus it will actually take to get a deal with McNabb in order to avoid a "cap collapse" down the road.

And Mike Shanahan is not going to deal with any "cap collapses"...
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If the Skins were to sign McNabb to a new contract this afternoon, they would owe him a tidy sum as a signing bonus. Just for fun, let's say it's $10M because that is a round number.


There is a possibility that there will not be a season next year - - or if there is one it might be an "abbreviated season" that begins in mid to late October. Just for fun, let's say the season starts in mid-October.


When the next season starts, there will be at least some new wrinkles in the salary cap rules because there will be a new CBA. Just for fun, let's say one of the changes is that teams can still pro-rate signing bonuses over the life of the contract BUT there is also a limitation on the total amount of signing bonus money and roster bonus money that can be spent in any single football year- - and that amount is $40M. [That kind of limitation is one of the proposals on the table at the moment. I don't think it will make it into the final agreement but you never know...]


Now, with that kind of uncertainty why would the Skins want to hand McNabb a contract today instead of waiting to see which way the wind is blowing in the contract talks that will start for real in Feb 2011.? Why would Danny Boy want that putative $10M in McNabb's "bank account" instead of his for the next few months?


If the Skins sign McNabb to a new deal this season, you can be certain that Mike Shanahan is 200% sure that Donovan McNabb is the answer as the Skins' QB for at least the next 3 seasons - - because it will take 3 seasons to amortize enough of the signing bonus it will actually take to get a deal with McNabb in order to avoid a "cap collapse" down the road.

And Mike Shanahan is not going to deal with any "cap collapses"...
Interesting post.

It pretty much comes down to the risk of

1) What kind of play can we expect from Donovan McNabb over the next 3 years

2) Is there a viable substitute

We've got such a bad history of QB's here... it makes you want to lock up McNabb while we can.

Brings forth the other question. Is it too soon to start grooming the QB of the future next season?
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The Skins have given away 2 draft picks for a lot less return than DM has already given. I have heard he's interested in going to Minn to get back with his old coach, if that happens best wishes to him, Shanny will find another solution.

What I'd really like to see is for the Skins to make a serious running at trying to snatch Manning away from Indy.

Yes, but you can't argue it was a wise move to give away 2 draft picks for a 1 year guy. True, they've done worse, but we should be a better run organization now.
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After the houston game I was like Wow,this is what its like to have a great qb.But he's been downhill since.Then when they showed that stat last week how his qb rating drops dramatically in the 2nd half,I was like damn,thats bad news.But then he had a pretty good 2nd half against the colts.
Right now Mcnabb is not near as good as I thought he was going to be,were winning games in spite of him instead of because of him.
But having said that,I would still want him back without overpaying him,but i dont see that happening.I think its going to go down to us either waiting to long to do something and pissing him offto where he wont want to sign,or we overpay to keep him.
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The Skins have given away 2 draft picks for a lot less return than DM has already given. I have heard he's interested in going to Minn to get back with his old coach, if that happens best wishes to him, Shanny will find another solution.

What I'd really like to see is for the Skins to make a serious running at trying to snatch Manning away from Indy.
Wishful thinking, but no way Indy lets him sniff the open market.
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