Redskins-Bears, Best and Worst

SirClintonPortis · 10-25-2010, 09:01 AM

Well, I think the system reason has some merit to mis-timing and missed reads, but Donovan has had his bad side show up and missed some easy ones. Hell, even Jason Campbell could hit Zach Miller right on the money for the touchdown on a play very similar to the one to Davis, even if Hue Jackson had a completely different terminology that Shanahan's.

Mattyk · 10-25-2010, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

The Eagles offense was not that different from the offense McNabb is running now, so it really isn't a system thing. Donovan has been missing some wide open receivers.

Of course he has also been having a lot of his on target passes dropped as well. It is just going to take time.

There are probably similarities but overall more is probably different than not. The verbiage is different and so are the protections. Reid runs a more pure west coast offense with 3 step drops based on timing, get the ball out quick. Shanahan's system runs more off play action, with more 5-7 step drops.

Chico23231 · 10-25-2010, 09:12 AM

Im not really buying the "get use to the system" excuse right now with McNabb. He is a pro bowler, vetern QB who is not a stupid guy. We are 6 games into the season and he understands the basic concepts of a west coast offense he learned in Philly.

He flat out missed the end blitzer on the pick six, that was clearly on him and unexcusable. He missed bad on probably 10 throws. Couple people dropped very catchable balls, that didnt help.

I understand the "he will have games like these every now and then" but this is now 2 weeks in row where he has played pretty poor.

Longtimefan · 10-25-2010, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

I give my game ball to Cutler, he did his utmost to help the Skins win. Its obvious the Bears have hitched their wagon to the wrong QB.

Cutler has a natural affinity for Shanahan. Hall immediately texed him a thank you for making him defensive player of the week.

Jontrem · 10-25-2010, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

The Eagles offense was not that different from the offense McNabb is running now, so it really isn't a system thing. Donovan has been missing some wide open receivers.

Of course he has also been having a lot of his on target passes dropped as well. It is just going to take time.

McNabb has always been hit or miss. When we traded for him my brother in law told me I would love him but he would drive me crazy because of his tendencies to miss wide open receivers. To this point he was totally correct, I liek him extending plays and pushing the ball down the field, I hate him missing open WRs 10 yards down the field.

Oh well it is far better than having JC and at least we are fun to watch again! I'd watch these games just to watch Orakpo he's quickly becoming my favorite NFL'er

Chico23231 · 10-25-2010, 09:24 AM

Our 13 first downs was a season-low, and we converted only 2 of 15 third-down attempts.

Wow those stats above is simply mind numbing. I wouldnt mind Shanny getting more involved with the offense with Kyle. We should be playing better than that, granted that Chicago's D is underrated IMO, but they are not that good.

Jontrem · 10-25-2010, 09:35 AM

No they aren't that good at all. Were we able to run a single successful screen to a RB or Te yesterday? I can't remember

Chico23231 · 10-25-2010, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jontrem

No they aren't that good at all. Were we able to run a single successful screen to a RB or Te yesterday? I can't remember

For some reason, maybe Gtripp or SS33 with film review can help me out, we cannot run a RB screen. Probably the poorest team I can remember running it. We ran like a 5 yard TE screen to Cooley, ok pick up, not great.

Jontrem · 10-25-2010, 09:54 AM

Well the inability to execute a proper screen may be part of the reason that McNabb is always being chased around the pocket, if Dlinemen and blitzing Lbs know they dont have to worry about a RB screen then they can blitz more effectively. Also the BEST way to slow down the pressure with a questionable Oline is screen passes. Shanny needs to fix that ASAP

Jontrem · 10-25-2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by diehard

Rogers and McIntosh have to be re-signed. They're solid.

Totally agree on both, wondering what McIntosh will want for resigning. I am not sure who Rodger's agent is but even with the hands issue I can see him being tough to re-sign

skinsfan69 · 10-25-2010, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I actually though it was a damn exciting game to watch and Mcnabb Haters need to shut up! This team would be 2-5 with JC so chill the hell out.. SMH

Not a hater yet, I just expect him to play better. He got some lucky breaks or he singlehandly losses the game.

Longtimefan · 10-25-2010, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Im not really buying the "get use to the system" excuse right now with McNabb. He is a pro bowler, vetern QB who is not a stupid guy. We are 6 games into the season and he understands the basic concepts of a west coast offense he learned in Philly.

He flat out missed the end blitzer on the pick six, that was clearly on him and unexcusable. He missed bad on probably 10 throws. Couple people dropped very catchable balls, that didnt help.

I understand the "he will have games like these every now and then" but this is now 2 weeks in row where he has played pretty poor.

The team continues to win these close games despite McNabb. Maybe it's "magic", the only team in the NFL with a winning record that has given up more points than they've scored.

As for the Bears, I've never seen a team turn the ball over on five straight possessions, talk about self-destruct.

Chico23231 · 10-25-2010, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

The team continues to win these close games despite McNabb. Maybe it's "magic", the only team in the NFL with a winning record that has given up more points than they've scored.

As for the Bears, I've never seen a team turn the ball over on five straight possessions, talk about self-destruct.

Right we ve been lucky in that regard and hats off to Haslett and the defense. You cant ask for a defense to play any better on the road.

CultBrennan59 · 10-25-2010, 10:31 AM

Positives: Our defense holding their offense to 7 points
Negatives: Only 7 points from our offense?? You can't be a playoff team if you score only 7 points/ you can't rely on your defense getting you the other 7 points.
And we have detroit this week who I'm scared of, more so than the Bears.

firstdown · 10-25-2010, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mooby

Now come on. He did lead us on that touchdown drive in the first quarter after we spotted the Bears a 7-0 lead. Without that touchdown we would've lost the game. If we don't score that touchdown and Bears go up 14-0, they might not have passed at all in the second half except after they set up the play action by running repeatedly at us.

He also gave the bears the 7 points before that drive.

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10-25-2010, 09:01 AM	#46
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: Redskins-Bears, Best and Worst Well, I think the system reason has some merit to mis-timing and missed reads, but Donovan has had his bad side show up and missed some easy ones. Hell, even Jason Campbell could hit Zach Miller right on the money for the touchdown on a play very similar to the one to Davis, even if Hue Jackson had a completely different terminology that Shanahan's. __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

10-25-2010, 09:12 AM	#48
Chico23231 Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 36 Posts: 7,774	Re: Redskins-Bears, Best and Worst Im not really buying the "get use to the system" excuse right now with McNabb. He is a pro bowler, vetern QB who is not a stupid guy. We are 6 games into the season and he understands the basic concepts of a west coast offense he learned in Philly. He flat out missed the end blitzer on the pick six, that was clearly on him and unexcusable. He missed bad on probably 10 throws. Couple people dropped very catchable balls, that didnt help. I understand the "he will have games like these every now and then" but this is now 2 weeks in row where he has played pretty poor. __________________ Ready for the Draft.

10-25-2010, 09:24 AM	#51
Chico23231 Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 36 Posts: 7,774	Re: Redskins-Bears, Best and Worst Our 13 first downs was a season-low, and we converted only 2 of 15 third-down attempts. Wow those stats above is simply mind numbing. I wouldnt mind Shanny getting more involved with the offense with Kyle. We should be playing better than that, granted that Chicago's D is underrated IMO, but they are not that good. __________________ Ready for the Draft.

10-25-2010, 09:35 AM	#52
Jontrem Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 608	Re: Redskins-Bears, Best and Worst No they aren't that good at all. Were we able to run a single successful screen to a RB or Te yesterday? I can't remember

10-25-2010, 09:54 AM	#54
Jontrem Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 608	Re: Redskins-Bears, Best and Worst Well the inability to execute a proper screen may be part of the reason that McNabb is always being chased around the pocket, if Dlinemen and blitzing Lbs know they dont have to worry about a RB screen then they can blitz more effectively. Also the BEST way to slow down the pressure with a questionable Oline is screen passes. Shanny needs to fix that ASAP

10-25-2010, 10:31 AM	#59
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,571	Re: Redskins-Bears, Best and Worst Positives: Our defense holding their offense to 7 points Negatives: Only 7 points from our offense?? You can't be a playoff team if you score only 7 points/ you can't rely on your defense getting you the other 7 points. And we have detroit this week who I'm scared of, more so than the Bears. __________________ When in doubt, go with the SEC

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