Redskins-Lions: Best and Worst

SmootSmack · 11-01-2010, 11:22 PM

Worst:

(hat tip to Ruhskins for reminding me to post this): Our 1st Down Offense. Hard to win when you're facing these 2nd down situations: 2nd and 18; 2nd and 8; 2nd and 15; 2nd and 5; 2nd and 20; 2nd and 10; 2nd and 6; 2nd and 18; 2nd and 6; 2nd and 13; 2nd and 2; 2nd and 15; 2nd and 11; 2nd and 4; 2nd and 4; 2nd and 11; 2nd and 13; 2nd and 10..

So that's more than 50% of the time we've essentially gained zero yards or lost yards on first down

I don't know what the league average is, or even really what the Redskins average is but if you're going to give your offense just three downs basically you might as well be playing in the CFL

mooby · 11-02-2010, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Worst:

(hat tip to Ruhskins for reminding me to post this): Our 1st Down Offense. Hard to win when you're facing these 2nd down situations: 2nd and 18; 2nd and 8; 2nd and 15; 2nd and 5; 2nd and 20; 2nd and 10; 2nd and 6; 2nd and 18; 2nd and 6; 2nd and 13; 2nd and 2; 2nd and 15; 2nd and 11; 2nd and 4; 2nd and 4; 2nd and 11; 2nd and 13; 2nd and 10..

So that's more than 50% of the time we've essentially gained zero yards or lost yards on first down

I don't know what the league average is, or even really what the Redskins average is but if you're not going to give your offense just three down basically you might as well be playing in the CFL

Boy, I knew our first down offense had a really bad day after the game, but I had no idea it was that bad. That's horrible. I mean out of those 18 2nd downs, 11 of them were 10 or more yards. Only 4 of those gained at least 5 yards. Atrocious.

MTK · 11-02-2010, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Worst:

(hat tip to Ruhskins for reminding me to post this): Our 1st Down Offense. Hard to win when you're facing these 2nd down situations: 2nd and 18; 2nd and 8; 2nd and 15; 2nd and 5; 2nd and 20; 2nd and 10; 2nd and 6; 2nd and 18; 2nd and 6; 2nd and 13; 2nd and 2; 2nd and 15; 2nd and 11; 2nd and 4; 2nd and 4; 2nd and 11; 2nd and 13; 2nd and 10..

So that's more than 50% of the time we've essentially gained zero yards or lost yards on first down

I don't know what the league average is, or even really what the Redskins average is but if you're going to give your offense just three downs basically you might as well be playing in the CFL

Good post. And those 2nd and longs led to 3rd and longs, so the Lions were able to just pin their ears back and come after McNabb.

hagams · 11-02-2010, 10:01 AM

The best from this game, doesn't outway the bad so I'm not going there..

Bad:
- O-line (Kinda feels like last year)
- Coaching: KS's offense may work with a dependable line, solid WR's, and with an
established running game. It's not working here.
- Coaching: The decision to only dress 2 RB's was scary to me. Having Ryan go down was unforseen, but that only left the UFA. He played good, but God forbid something had happened to him. Then what?
- Coaching: Not much max protect after we found out we couldn't block them (the 2nd drive). I only saw 1 screen pass, and I think that would have slowed thier DL play down.

Our team might not be clicking right now, but I think it starts at the top.

30gut · 11-02-2010, 02:49 PM

Best:
Anthony Armstrong
Keiland Williams
Worst:
OL/Coaching

GTripp0012 · 11-02-2010, 02:58 PM

Big difference between our 5 man protections, which can't handle anyone, and our 6 man protections, which are giving McNabb a lot of time.

Sometimes, however, we call a six man protection, and the back and a tackles don't read the stunt together, then the back releases which leaves a free lineman in a bad position. It's at that point I miss Campbell, because he would complete that desperation throw to the back, where McNabb misses or gets sacked putting us in long yardage or forcing a punt.

There's a simple solution, which is to restrict the back from releasing into the pattern. That would fix a lot of our protection problems.

30gut · 11-02-2010, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's at that point I miss Campbell, because he would complete that desperation throw to the back, where McNabb misses or gets sacked putting us in long yardage or forcing a punt.

People underestimate the efficiency of Zorn/Campbell's passing game last year.
I don't think its a strecth to say that Campbell finished the season as a better quick rhythm WCO short passing/accuracy QB then McNabb at this point.

GTripp0012 · 11-02-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 30gut

People underestimate the efficiency of Zorn/Campbell's passing game last year.

I think people DID underestimate it. I'm not so sure they do anymore.

Longtimefan · 11-02-2010, 04:09 PM

Best - They actually showed up in Detroit without incident.

Worst - They actually attempted to play.

over the mountain · 11-03-2010, 11:07 AM

idk where to put this but . . . .anyone have any word on orakpos injury. it looked pretty serious before they cut to commercial break then said he limped off the field on his own power when they came back.

i was worried at the time, now with all this mcnabb stuff, seems the media and press conf dont even address it.

SmootSmack · 11-03-2010, 11:12 AM

From what I've heard, he's fine

Also, CP practiced yesterday for the first time since he got hurt

MTK · 11-03-2010, 11:15 AM

Rak came back in the game, so it didn't seem like anything too serious

sportscurmudgeon · 11-03-2010, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yesterday was worse than STL bcuz we had the lead late and let it slip again.. Coaching was a joke on offense all game. No run game at all, Atv gets injured again, TW got destroyed by Vanden Bosh.. Jamal brown is still injured. Cooley dropped 2 really catchable balls, Carlos took a horrible angle on that last TD. Landry continues to celebrate a big hit even when CJ gets a first down SMH.

But I'm most disappointed in Mike Shanahan, how in gods green earth do you basically give up the game? That's bush league IMO, we all knew damn well grossman wasn't going to lead us down field, heck I'd rather have JC any day over that bum!!
Shame on MS

Glad someone finally pointed out that once again the Skins led the game in the 4th quarter and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Oh, while I was typing that note, Calvin Johnson just caught another pass...

11-01-2010, 11:22 PM	#31
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Redskins-Lions: Best and Worst Worst: (hat tip to Ruhskins for reminding me to post this): Our 1st Down Offense. Hard to win when you're facing these 2nd down situations: 2nd and 18; 2nd and 8; 2nd and 15; 2nd and 5; 2nd and 20; 2nd and 10; 2nd and 6; 2nd and 18; 2nd and 6; 2nd and 13; 2nd and 2; 2nd and 15; 2nd and 11; 2nd and 4; 2nd and 4; 2nd and 11; 2nd and 13; 2nd and 10.. So that's more than 50% of the time we've essentially gained zero yards or lost yards on first down I don't know what the league average is, or even really what the Redskins average is but if you're going to give your offense just three downs basically you might as well be playing in the CFL __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You Last edited by SmootSmack; 11-02-2010 at 07:30 AM.

11-02-2010, 10:01 AM	#34
hagams Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Okinawa, Japan Age: 38 Posts: 913	Re: Redskins-Lions: Best and Worst The best from this game, doesn't outway the bad so I'm not going there.. Bad: - O-line (Kinda feels like last year) - Coaching: KS's offense may work with a dependable line, solid WR's, and with an established running game. It's not working here. - Coaching: The decision to only dress 2 RB's was scary to me. Having Ryan go down was unforseen, but that only left the UFA. He played good, but God forbid something had happened to him. Then what? - Coaching: Not much max protect after we found out we couldn't block them (the 2nd drive). I only saw 1 screen pass, and I think that would have slowed thier DL play down. Our team might not be clicking right now, but I think it starts at the top. __________________ We are always superbowl contenders in March!!! HTTR!!!!!!!!

11-02-2010, 02:49 PM	#35
30gut Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,218	Re: Redskins-Lions: Best and Worst Best: Anthony Armstrong Keiland Williams Worst: OL/Coaching __________________ I looked at it as, if I wasn’t good enough to go on the first day, I’m gonna get in the gym tonight and prove that I’m good enough to myself..I’m all about work.S'ua #36

11-02-2010, 02:58 PM	#36
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 29 Posts: 15,994	Re: Redskins-Lions: Best and Worst Big difference between our 5 man protections, which can't handle anyone, and our 6 man protections, which are giving McNabb a lot of time. Sometimes, however, we call a six man protection, and the back and a tackles don't read the stunt together, then the back releases which leaves a free lineman in a bad position. It's at that point I miss Campbell, because he would complete that desperation throw to the back, where McNabb misses or gets sacked putting us in long yardage or forcing a punt. There's a simple solution, which is to restrict the back from releasing into the pattern. That would fix a lot of our protection problems. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

11-02-2010, 04:09 PM	#39
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Redskins-Lions: Best and Worst Best - They actually showed up in Detroit without incident. Worst - They actually attempted to play. __________________ A revolution is coming and it will be televised.

11-03-2010, 11:07 AM	#40
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,714	Re: Redskins-Lions: Best and Worst idk where to put this but . . . .anyone have any word on orakpos injury. it looked pretty serious before they cut to commercial break then said he limped off the field on his own power when they came back. i was worried at the time, now with all this mcnabb stuff, seems the media and press conf dont even address it. __________________ Life is brutal, but beautiful

11-03-2010, 11:12 AM	#41
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Redskins-Lions: Best and Worst From what I've heard, he's fine Also, CP practiced yesterday for the first time since he got hurt __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-03-2010, 11:15 AM	#42
MTK ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 44 Posts: 88,973	Re: Redskins-Lions: Best and Worst Rak came back in the game, so it didn't seem like anything too serious __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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