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Old 11-04-2010, 02:27 PM   #16
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Re: Analyzing Mike Shanahan at the Midway Point

^^ Upgrading the o-line is what LaVar & Dukes are discussing on 106.7 the fan at this very moment.

While I don't always agree with LaVar, a moment ago he took the words out of my mouth that I've been saying for years. Do what's needed to fix this line.
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Old 11-04-2010, 03:23 PM   #17
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Upgrading the line in 1 year after years of neglect is unrealistic to say the least, especially when you consider the crop of free agents was very small this year due to the end of the cba. At least he got a LT w/his first pick & got some other o linemen later in the draft.

I'm expecting some kind of shakeup after the bye. I think Dock will be back at LG & maybe Rabach will be replaced. The latter is more a hunch. Also occured to me that we could see Hicks at RT before it's over!
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Old 11-04-2010, 03:41 PM   #18
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I give the Coach a THUMBS UP as well.
I hope they enjoy a well deserved week off..........
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Old 11-04-2010, 03:59 PM   #19
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Upgrading the line in 1 year after years of neglect is unrealistic to say the least, especially when you consider the crop of free agents was very small this year due to the end of the cba. At least he got a LT w/his first pick & got some other o linemen later in the draft.

I'm expecting some kind of shakeup after the bye. I think Dock will be back at LG & maybe Rabach will be replaced. The latter is more a hunch. Also occured to me that we could see Hicks at RT before it's over!
I really don't care how long it takes, it's what has to be done if you want to see this team be successful. Prolong it and you'll continue to see your QB [regardless of who it is] trying to throw passes from his ass.
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^^ Upgrading the o-line is what LaVar & Dukes are discussing on 106.7 the fan at this very moment.

While I don't always agree with LaVar, a moment ago he took the words out of my mouth that I've been saying for years. Do what's needed to fix this line.
I love their show. Lavar has been spot on about alot of things going on the Skins that he never gets credit for. Some of the things that Shanny is known to do, Lavar already pointed out months ago but some of us ripped him for it. Looks like he knows what he's talking about now though.
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Old 11-04-2010, 06:53 PM   #21
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Re: Analyzing Mike Shanahan at the Midway Point

Perhaps we could add a poll to this thread to rate Shanahan so far, A, B, C, D or F?
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Old 11-04-2010, 07:12 PM   #22
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Re: Analyzing Mike Shanahan at the Midway Point

I didn't expect Shanahan to take this team to the promised land, or even make it to the play-offs in one season. In his first year with Denver he was 8-8 and took 3 seasons to win the SB, even with one of the all-time greatest QBs, so I can't expect higher expectations than that. The Skins are clearly more improved than last season with our weakest spot being the porous OL and our shaky core of receivers. I don't expect a coach to be flawless, though he expects his teams to perform flawlessly. He has a knack for spotting talent (Armstrong, Torain) and will continue to scout where no one else scouts, and pick up players that will perform. Next season we will be ready for greatness.
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Old 11-05-2010, 06:04 AM   #23
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I think Shanahan has made some adjustments to the offensive line, but that's not enough. He was supposed to upgrade the offensive line so the QB would have a decent chance to throw a pass without getting tramped on by every defensive line we face. Why is the offensive line just about the same as it was last year? Why don't we have capable backups on the line? And last, why don't we put somebody in for Casey Rabach, who can't block anybody?

Also, we had a better defense last year. With last year's defense, we could have been maybe 6-2 at this point, with wins over Houston and Detroit. If you throw in a win over the Rams, we could have been 7-1, with McNabb's best games yet to come. The defense was overwhelmed by the Colts and Manning, so we just lost that game regardless of how well we could have played.

Personally, I would have claimed Moss on waivers, but Moss probably wouldn't have liked to play for Shanahan.

So I give Shanahan a C-, and I think I'm being generous there. I think he deserves a D because he didn't do anything to upgrade the O-line. He thought he did, but bringing in different bodies, two of whom were reserves on other teams, just isn't enough to make a good O-line.
I disagree with just about everything you have said. Is Trent Williams not an upgrade? Jamaal Brown isn't as far along with his recovery as expected, but when healthy he's definitely an upgrade. Dockery hasn't worked out for whatever reason, but he was brought back to upgrade the interior. You can't overhaul the entire offensive line in one offseason. It takes at least two years and some good fortune with injuries and such.

The defense is in transition...Yeah, it was probably better last year, but it hasn't been horrible. We are on pace to have way more turnovers than last year, and if our offense could capitalize on them...this probably wouldn't even be much of a discussion. Again, when you change schemes (4-3 to 3-4) it takes time to acquire the right personnel to run that defense. That is why we haven't exclusively run the 3-4 this year...we've given up alot of yards, but I think that is part of the "bend don't break" concept...and for the most part I think that is working, but again the offense needs to capitalize on the TOs and the short fields. BTW, what defense doesn't have a hard time with Peyton Manning? And we had a chance to win that game...

I'm completely happy that we didn't make a move for Randy Moss. Why add someone mid-season that plays hard only when he wants to, that can't run routes very well, and that could potentially add more unnecessary drama to this locker room...we're good with what we have, the offense just needs to gel better which I expect to happen in the second half.

Other than the McNabb benching, I'm pleased with Shanahan. Even the McNabb benching, I'm ok with it, since I don't completely know everything that led to that...Shanahan doesn't owe me, you, or the media an explanation or the truth. As long as he's straight with the guys on the team, I don't care what he says...
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Old 11-05-2010, 07:17 AM   #24
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I think its amazing what the Little General has done with this team. He doesnt have a lot of talent to work with but he has them better coached and better schemed and because of that they are a competitive team this year and that's something they havent been for a few years.
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I think its amazing what the Little General has done with this team. He doesnt have a lot of talent to work with but he has them better coached and better schemed and because of that they are a competitive team this year and that's something they havent been for a few years.
Wow! Who knew? I don't agree 100%, but for the sake of celebrating your optimism Irish, I concur.
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I think its amazing what the Little General has done with this team. He doesnt have a lot of talent to work with but he has them better coached and better schemed and because of that they are a competitive team this year and that's something they havent been for a few years.

I totally thought of this when you said that!



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Old 11-05-2010, 10:08 AM   #27
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I have not read the article but from what I have seen MS reminds me of Tom Coughlin. He is a great coach but he needs to lern how to deal with players in tadays world and not like he did back in the 90's. I could see how he could loose the team like TC almost did a few years back.
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Old 11-05-2010, 10:26 AM   #28
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He's been solid. Should anyone around here complain? Especially after Zorn? As fans we always tend to bitch and moan. But the reality is this isn't a good football team. It's probably a below average football team so to be 4-4 is pretty good.
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Old 11-05-2010, 12:57 PM   #29
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I think Shanahan has made some adjustments to the offensive line, but that's not enough. He was supposed to upgrade the offensive line so the QB would have a decent chance to throw a pass without getting tramped on by every defensive line we face. Why is the offensive line just about the same as it was last year? Why don't we have capable backups on the line? And last, why don't we put somebody in for Casey Rabach, who can't block anybody?

Also, we had a better defense last year. With last year's defense, we could have been maybe 6-2 at this point, with wins over Houston and Detroit. If you throw in a win over the Rams, we could have been 7-1, with McNabb's best games yet to come. The defense was overwhelmed by the Colts and Manning, so we just lost that game regardless of how well we could have played.

Personally, I would have claimed Moss on waivers, but Moss probably wouldn't have liked to play for Shanahan.

So I give Shanahan a C-, and I think I'm being generous there. I think he deserves a D because he didn't do anything to upgrade the O-line. He thought he did, but bringing in different bodies, two of whom were reserves on other teams, just isn't enough to make a good O-line.
You make it sound easy to replace all 5 people on the OL.
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Old 11-06-2010, 12:25 AM   #30
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It's going to take time, VC left the place in such a mess and this is a rebuilding year (let's be honest). To be at .500 midway through the season is a hell of an accomplishment.
QB is unsettled but DMac is as good a stopgap as any and to be realistic, he was either going to show that he had what it took or he didn't, either way it would give the team some time to develop w/o the QB position being the focal point. IMO, we need to draft a QB fairly high to either start next year or 2012 at the latest.
OL is pretty much in shambles -- Trent Williams is a beast and I am hoping he avoids any injuries because we will need him. All the other guys are backup guys IMO and we have to invest some serious money/draft picks on the offensive trenches.
WR is also in shambles -- Santana is pretty good no matter who is throwing to him, Anthony Armstrong still has a lot to prove and it is pretty disgraceful that Roydell Williams and Joey Galloway are our 3rd and 4th. Again, they are stop gaps and we need to spend some money/draft picks on WR. I would like to see KS get Banks involved a little more offensively b/c that guy is dangerous in space.
RB is okay b/c Portis should be back but is no longer the #1 and should split time with Torain.
TE is okay b/c Cooley is a beast and hopefully Fred Davis regains some form. I'm surprised at his lack of production given that by all accounts he had had a phenomenal training camp.

On the defensive side:
DL is looking okay, still not sure about the switch to the 3-4 but it hasn't been disastrous though were are still giving up a ton of yardage.
LB is okay, Fletch is bionic, I don't know how that guy does it and Rak is a monster. Other than that, Rocky is okay, Alexander is pretty decent, so LB should be set for a few years.
CB is where I am worried, DHall is leading the league in INTs I believe? but the cover situation is tough to consider. We have been torched, just torched by top flight WRs (Andre + Calvin Johnson) so I really think the secondary has to be solidified.
FS/SS (see CB)

Overall, the whole team is okay which is good given last year's debacle. Lots of building to do but I feel as though Shanny has the team headed in a good direction. 2 more years in my opinion combined with avoiding any serious setbacks and I could see this team in the Superbowl.
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