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Old 11-05-2010, 08:22 PM   #31
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Re: Better Decision: Draft/Deal for Bradford or Trade for McNabb/Draft T. Williams?

This is sort of lame to even bother speculating. Bradford would have been destroyed had he come here!!!!!! This line sucks balls fellas. Trent is the only decent guy we have. Sam would have been killed vs the Lions and maybe got his shoulder popped again. This franchise is totally dysfunctional to even try to get a to QB without putting the line in place first. People are ripping Donovan a new one, when in reality, if we had Peyton or Tom here they would suck as well. We give away all of our top picks to acquire expensive FAs that rarely pan out as expected. To think that a new QB would right the team with this shitty line is sheer madness. Shoot, we could draft Mallet when he comes out or Moore from BSU(my fav right now), but they would be ineffective as well. You would think Allen would have thought of that with all of those wasted picks in this past draft. Why draft a TE, when you have two studs already? Most of our picks should have been o linemen, with the hope at least a couple would have been starting caliber or good backups. Our starters minus Trent would be backups in most of the other teams in the league and our backups wouldn't even get a roster spot on them.
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Old 11-05-2010, 10:22 PM   #32
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So he is not young anymore....so what?
33 year old Tom Brady is leading the 6-1 patriots and is currently the 5th top rated passer in the NFL. They beat the two of the top teams in Jets and Ravens. That Ravensvs Pats game was played at playoff caliber play and hitting. High level of football. If you like to watch good football, the Steelers vs Patriots game in two weeks will be another high level play and caliber game.

Theismann was drafted by the Miami Dolphins. Theismann went to play in the bush league Canandian Football league. Theismann did not arrive in DC with huge fanfare or on a private jet. He probably flew coach. He was third string and returned punts just to see the field.
Bradford's youth is loved because the longevity of the benefits he would bring, not because it makes him super better right now. So far, he's proven himself capable of playing the game very well and hence he will return 10+ years of greatness for the Rams barring any unfortunate circumstances.

McNabb expiration date is coming soon, and we'd be damned if we don't do something in the near future to cushion the loss.

Sonny and Billy also vowed together to block Theismann because of his attitude.
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Old 11-05-2010, 10:32 PM   #33
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Re: Better Decision: Draft/Deal for Bradford or Trade for McNabb/Draft T. Williams?

I think this is a silly question. Really a franchise qb is all a team needs to compete for any given game. A left tackle can not do that. Yea we wouldnt be as good for the next few years, but it would DEF pay off in the long run. We can make a respectable o-line within the next couple of years without williams, but an elite qb is something that is near impossible to come across unless you have a top pick. Make no mistake, bradford WILL be elite a few years down the road.
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Old 11-06-2010, 12:07 AM   #34
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They should have left McNabb in PHI, kept Campbell, Grossman, and dealt for Beck if they didn't already know what he was capable or uncapable of. The same can be said for Brown. Heyer has played just as much as he has. Just a lot of thrown away picks for guys that are being evaluated. And look at Dockery.
I disagree about Campbell. Campbell was not going to develop much here, and looking at the line's play this year, his trade value would have become almost nothing. He too was going to "expire" for us because he was soon going to be an UFA.
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Old 11-06-2010, 04:07 AM   #35
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But since McNabb may possibly not be a redskin next year. Would it have been a better investment to have drafted Bradford -- of course, looking back?
McNabb gives you a chance to win now and that is what the Redskins want ...to win now also there never really is a down size to building up your O line,would Bradford have reacted to Shanahan the same way as to Spagnola,....just too many if's.
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Re: Better Decision: Draft/Deal for Bradford or Trade for McNabb/Draft T. Williams?

Drafting Bradford wasn't an option - the Rams weren't passing on that opportunity. If they had, I would have been tempted, but the Redskins of ANY franchise should have a historical appreciation for great offensive line play. Gibbs 1.0 rode his O-line to 3 Super Bowls with 3 different QB's, only one of whom ever approached "franchise QB" status (Theismann). I want to see the FO continuing to addressing O-line needs early and often in the next 2-3 drafts. Putting Bradford behind this bunch (minus Trent Williams) could have been a disaster to his psyche.
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Old 11-06-2010, 02:46 PM   #37
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But, McNabb is developing? We lost picks in both scenarios. I agree the team needed an overhaul but, if the talent pool was next to zilch, why throw away picks just to bring a guy in to compete? Shanahan's ego makes you think he's a pee-wee coach. To stay on topic, it makes sense to have traded up to draft Bradford for all that was lost with aquiring McNabb and possibly losing him after just one year. Let's see how this pans out. It looks ugly right now. (Change the jersey to number 5)
You're talking to the wrong guy. I've recently been of the view of letting Grossman be the tackling dummy for the season would have been the better move. Shanahan's a better GM than Vinny, but almost everyone is. He's not that good though, certainly not Sam Pollock(Habs GM who grabbed Guy Lafleur) good. The Brown and McNabb trades were mistakes. They'll "expire" way too soon and we'll have to start all over again.

We missed out on Nate Allen or Lamarr Houston.

So, in short: No Campbell, No McNabb is my stance now. It seems like becoming a Habs fan has its perks.
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They should have left McNabb in PHI, kept Campbell, Grossman, and dealt for Beck if they didn't already know what he was capable or uncapable of. The same can be said for Brown. Heyer has played just as much as he has. Just a lot of thrown away picks for guys that are being evaluated. And look at Dockery.
If Campbell was still the QB this team would be 2-6.
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Old 11-06-2010, 07:26 PM   #39
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If Campbell was still the QB this team would be 2-6.
I think that is being....charitable
For all the things McNabb is not, to his credit he has avoided a Shitload of sacks through our porous line.
We have seen all to many times JC's elusive Gazelle like manuevers, confound even the most...ardent of would-be tacklers......right?
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I think this is a silly question. Really a franchise qb is all a team needs to compete for any given game. A left tackle can not do that. Yea we wouldnt be as good for the next few years, but it would DEF pay off in the long run. We can make a respectable o-line within the next couple of years without williams, but an elite qb is something that is near impossible to come across unless you have a top pick. Make no mistake, bradford WILL be elite a few years down the road.
Vinny Cerratto? Is that you? I did not know you were a member of this sight.
How has the unemployed life treating you? Playing golf?..star in another movie?

Vinny, if there is one thing you should have learned from the disaster you created here in Washington is that a strong offensive line, healthy running game and balanced attack is more conducive to winning than just having a great franchise Qb, a pass happy offense and a weak O-line.
Ask John Elway, he was on some pass happy teams that got blown the FU*K up in several superbowls. Embarrassing!
Elway was the "ultimate franchise QB" and it wasn't until 1997 that a strong run blocking O-line was put together and Terrel Davis appeared before they came close to winning a SB. Terrel Davis was MVP of Denver's first SB rushiing 30 time for 157 yards. Elway had 123 yards passing.

Same can be said about the other "great Franchise QB" Peyton Manning.
In the only SB that Manning has won, Joseph Addai and D. Rhodes accounted for 190 yards rushing on an amazing un-Peyton Manning like 40 carries. Probably the last time a Peyton Manning team ran the ball 40 times in a game.
Manning had a very pedestrian like SB with one TD 247 passing yards.
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Well, he did say "competitive", not Super Bowl bound.

However, there has never been a Super Bowl where only the QB was the good player on the team and everyone else sucked.
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Old 11-06-2010, 09:59 PM   #42
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I think this is a silly question. Really a franchise qb is all a team needs to compete for any given game. A left tackle can not do that. Yea we wouldnt be as good for the next few years, but it would DEF pay off in the long run. We can make a respectable o-line within the next couple of years without williams, but an elite qb is something that is near impossible to come across unless you have a top pick. Make no mistake, bradford WILL be elite a few years down the road.
AND you can have a dominant team and win a SB without that level QB, if you have a dominant line.........and a few other components.
AKA Mark Rypien
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Old 11-07-2010, 02:16 PM   #43
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Re: Better Decision: Draft/Deal for Bradford or Trade for McNabb/Draft T. Williams?

Yeah that was mentioned last week about McNabb, not sure how legit that is but Glazer is almost always reliable. Don't read much into going to scout players, it's what teams do. Not sure what thread of yours I'm supposed to be reading about Stanzi but as a Hawkeyes fan, I love Stanzi.
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Old 11-07-2010, 02:19 PM   #44
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Forgot to finish my thought on Stanzi. I love Stanzi, but realistically he's not higher than probably a 5th. His arm strength isnt all that and he's not the most mobile guy. I'll check out your Brady thread
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