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Old 11-09-2010, 02:11 PM   #16
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Re: Is Stafford's career as a starter over???

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I agree. They are already are a top tier team. Their backup QB Shaun Hill(?) that came in and did really well the first time Stafford went out ealrier this year is a player.
In regards to Detroit's great success acquiring talent in the recent years, I keep I keep hearing the name Martin Mayhew. Is he the GM? Our former CB form Gibbs I era?
Yup, Mayhew is their GM. I think we may be over-valuing Shaun Hill though.
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Old 11-09-2010, 02:30 PM   #17
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Re: Is Stafford's career as a starter over???

It's a shame for the Lions. They are a much better team with Stafford, although Shaun Hill did a good job as a back up. It's too bad that Megatron's best years are being wasted by these unfortunate situations. I hope Stafford recovers and is able to have a good career, he seems to have the talent for it.
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Old 11-09-2010, 02:31 PM   #18
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Re: Is Stafford's career as a starter over???

I said this to my roommate (Lions fan), but I think the Lions have to honestly and truly move forward as if Stafford isn't their franchise quarterback and they need to acquire one in the offseason to lead the team.

It's by far the most difficult conclusion they could possibly make, and there's nothing to suggest Stafford can't be a top level quarterback in their offensive scheme. But alternative to this is to wait until next year when Stafford is healthy and then find out if he can lead them to the postseason.

Windows of opportunity in the NFL are very, very short. For the Lions, their window as a true contender in the NFC just opened. 2-6 is probably a death sentence in terms of making the playoffs this year: getting back to 8-8 (which is the 09 Titans best case scenario) probably isn't good enough. But with that window open and with the need to capitalize with Kyle VandenBosch and Jeff Backus and Dominic Raiola and Nate Burleson are all still contributors in a delicate balance, I think waiting for Stafford to lead them is the wrong move.

One that could pay off, but still I think the wrong move.
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Old 11-09-2010, 03:17 PM   #19
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Yup, Mayhew is their GM. I think we may be over-valuing Shaun Hill though.
Good for Martin. He has to be one of the younger GM's in the league....and a wonderful human being! (in my best Cossel voice)

I know I may be over-valuing Hill, but stranger things have happened.
He is in a new system and throwing to some really good young receivers, on a good team. I am just saying, don't count him out. He has a chance to become a good QB. I think what I am trying to say is I like what i saw of him when he played for Stafford earlier this year in Detroit. He looked more then adequate and he is not afraid to throw that ball.. I guess the question is can he sustain it over the course of a season.
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Good for Martin. He has to be one of the younger GM's in the league....and a wonderful human being! (in my best Cossel voice)

I know I may be over-valuing Hill, but stranger things have happened.
He is in a new system and throwing to some really good young receivers, on a good team. I am just saying, don't count him out. He has a chance to become a good QB. I think what I am trying to say is I like what i saw of him when he played for Stafford earlier this year in Detroit. He looked more then adequate and he is not afraid to throw that ball.. I guess the question is can he sustain it over the course of a season.
Yeah I'm just saying he's a 30 year old perennial backup/part-time starter so I don't think the Lions should think in terms of well we can build around Shaun Hill if we can't around Stafford
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I said this to my roommate (Lions fan), but I think the Lions have to honestly and truly move forward as if Stafford isn't their franchise quarterback and they need to acquire one in the offseason to lead the team.

It's by far the most difficult conclusion they could possibly make, and there's nothing to suggest Stafford can't be a top level quarterback in their offensive scheme. But alternative to this is to wait until next year when Stafford is healthy and then find out if he can lead them to the postseason.

Windows of opportunity in the NFL are very, very short. For the Lions, their window as a true contender in the NFC just opened. 2-6 is probably a death sentence in terms of making the playoffs this year: getting back to 8-8 (which is the 09 Titans best case scenario) probably isn't good enough. But with that window open and with the need to capitalize with Kyle VandenBosch and Jeff Backus and Dominic Raiola and Nate Burleson are all still contributors in a delicate balance, I think waiting for Stafford to lead them is the wrong move.

One that could pay off, but still I think the wrong move.
Det. has some real nice young players...I think they're going to be around for a while...Stafford, Best, Suh, Petigrew and Johnson to name a few.
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Old 11-09-2010, 04:24 PM   #22
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Det. has some real nice young players...I think they're going to be around for a while...Stafford, Best, Suh, Petigrew and Johnson to name a few.
The counter example would probably be the Texans.

Not to say that Schaub is the problem there: he's not. But the Texans defense was only briefly a decent defense. And the Texans had a few coaching mishaps and probably missed a small window to make the postseason between 2008 and 2009. Right now, the AFC is likely too strong and their defense too weak to win with that core.

They can theoretically keep Schaub and Johnson and Daniels and Foster around, and build around Mario Williams and Amobi Okoye, but the window where they can win with an elite passing game is probably past. That's what I think may happen to Detroit if they try to wait out Stafford. The good young players are going to be there, but they are playing well as a team for the first time in a decade. They've got to get through that window right now.

When you are the league's most improved team, as the Lions may be, the last thing you want to do is wait for the rest of the league to catch up to make a real push at the postseason.
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Det. has some real nice young players...I think they're going to be around for a while...Stafford, Best, Suh, Petigrew and Johnson to name a few.
Thats true but things can go to shit real quick as we see in Dallas.
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Re: Is Stafford's career as a starter over???

I'm not even sure if I would call stafford injury prone.. it seems his shoulder just keeps getting re-injured, which might suggest they brought him back too soon/had some bad luck. I think after he sits the rest of the year out and works hard in the offseason, he'll come back and play a full season next year (barring the lockout...). He's a very promising young quarterback; I don't think the lions should be looking at him as a lost cause because of this injury thing....
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I'd love to have him here -- as a starter.
Hell yeah! I love the way this kid plays.
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I'd love to have him here -- as a starter.
Shoulder surgery can be a dicey thing for a QB. He may never have the same arm strength afterward. Chad Pennington had shoulder issues, but he was able to succeed with pinpoint accuracy in the short/intermediate passing game. I wouldn't take Stafford as a starter at the money he's making with all his injuries. Rookie QBs selected at the top of the draft get paid like they've won championships, but aside from being 2-0 against the Redskins, what exactly has Stafford accomplished in the NFL?
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Old 11-11-2010, 09:14 AM   #27
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That QB on the Raiders looks pretty good too. I'd Like to have him here!

We need to develop our own young starting QB.
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