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Old 12-03-2004, 12:41 PM   #31
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im not sure why people want to cut Portis. Our offense has sucked but who would you rather have? He is the third leading rusher in the NFC, and thats with those two poor performances in a row.

We do cut some people, and we have been dumping a lot of our big name busts over teh last few years. The last two free agency periods I think we have done a good job of getting young, up and coming players. With the exception of Brunell. Maybe you could include Barrorw, but the guy is a great player that HAD never had an injury up until this year.
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Old 12-03-2004, 12:43 PM   #32
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Like Pittsburgh we could find a Bettis like back and bring him in on short downs or goal line downs and have Portis as the main back. Of course Betts would be getting the raw end of the deal.
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Old 12-03-2004, 12:59 PM   #33
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joe gibbs is the most predictable play called in the league right now. My HS team was harder to game plan then the skins.
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Old 12-03-2004, 01:45 PM   #34
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see your wrong, name me a running back that has left denver in the past 10 years that has gone to have similar #'s. there are none.... dont get me wrong portis is a good back top 5 but he's 2 damn small for our system. your gonna tell me that stephen jackson would've done less for us this year. cant say that but he would have cost 10x's less.
Want to know why I can't name a running back that has left Denver and had success? Because they keep those guys there. Terrell Davis was the most successful, he retired a Bronco due to injury. Gary Anderson is still there, he ran for 1400 yds. Orlandis Gary is the only other guy to have left, he ran for 1000 yds but then tore his ACL. Droughons is having success in the system now, but I remember him at Oregon as being a solid back.

I don't know that I agree with your assessment that Portis is 2 small. I've heard that from a lot of my friends, that Portis is too small for the NFC East as if somehow there is a different brand of football that is played in the NFC East than the AFC West. I don't buy that at all, because even though the defenses may not be as good in the AFC West the backs are way above par in the AFC West so the poor defensive rankings (if they even exist) could be a result of all the stud RBs in the division. Last year they boasted 3 of the top 5 backs in football with Holmes, Tomlinson and Portis.

Now I do think the system has something to do with it, and Shanahan has a dynamite system in Denver, but a lot of it is on the individual. Football is football, and Portis is a Pro Bowl back and a damn fine football player and extremely young at that. Portis has run for 4000 yds in 3 yrs, and while he's not having the success in DC that he had in Denver it's still way early to start talking about trading him. But I'm guessing most of that is just you being frustrated, and we all are.

The main problem I have with those who say Portis is too small is that by saying that they are essentially saying that they know what "Gibbs' system" needs more than Gibbs himself. I'd think the guy who actually runs the system would know what kind of pieces he needs to plug into his offense. Not to mention that the running backs coach is Ernest Byner, who ran in this system so I'd think he also knows what it takes. Portis is a home run hitter, but he's not getting many pitches to hit these days. The offensive line is probably where most of our problems lie, there aren't many holes and they can't seem to protect Ramsey.
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Old 12-03-2004, 05:59 PM   #35
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joe gibbs is the most predictable play called in the league right now. My HS team was harder to game plan then the skins.
I dont think that playcalling is all that important, I mean think about it when the Chiefs have Holmes every team knew what they were going to do, RUN Holmes. The Ravens, when Lewis is healthy every team knows they have to stop Lewis. The Falcons, stop Vick.

Teams are really dangerous when they are like the Colts, Broncos, Packers and so on. With these team if you shut down the run they can still pass on you and if you stop the pass they will run on you.

Look at the Eagles one lose this year, they could not run on the steelers. And the steelers probably knew that, so the steelers figured if they could contain and put pressure on McNabb then they would win by stoping the eagles passing attack.
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Old 12-03-2004, 06:05 PM   #36
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im not sure why people want to cut Portis. Our offense has sucked but who would you rather have? He is the third leading rusher in the NFC, and thats with those two poor performances in a row.
I agree, think about it our feature back last year was Trung Canidate!!! And being that we let Davis go, who would you want in our backfield? I think that Portis is haveing an excellent year given the situation that he is in. No passing game and constantly running against 8 and sometimes 9 in the box!! Yet he is ranked 3rd!! in the NFC which has backs like A. Green, T. Barber, S. Alexander, D. McAllister. That is pretty good if you ask me, but that is just my opinion.
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Old 12-03-2004, 07:17 PM   #37
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Good point 8588! If we could ever get our passing game opened up, it would force those guys to drop back in coverage and would open up more for Portis.
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Old 12-03-2004, 09:00 PM   #38
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I dont think that playcalling is all that important, I mean think about it when the Chiefs have Holmes every team knew what they were going to do, RUN Holmes. The Ravens, when Lewis is healthy every team knows they have to stop Lewis. The Falcons, stop Vick.

Teams are really dangerous when they are like the Colts, Broncos, Packers and so on. With these team if you shut down the run they can still pass on you and if you stop the pass they will run on you.

Look at the Eagles one lose this year, they could not run on the steelers. And the steelers probably knew that, so the steelers figured if they could contain and put pressure on McNabb then they would win by stoping the eagles passing attack.

I dont think I agree with that. Its not as obvious as you might think when Holmes gets the ball. The Chiefs do a great job, as do the ravens, of using the fact that teams think they are going to do something then flip it to the TE, which they both have a great one. We dotn setup anything. We call exactly what you think we are going to call. Ill be watching a Skins game, we'll get the ball first and goal. I KNOW we are going to lineup with no receviers on first and second down and hand the ball off twice. We dotn try anythign fancy, we dont even have a wideout to have some sort of an option out there. Then after two failed attemps I know we are going to try and throw it to a TE, but we still might only have one receiver out. The problem with our passing game is that we never gave brunell more than two options to throw at. If both of them were covered whats he supposed to do. They usually dont even let portis pop out and dump it off for a screen pass to keep the D honest.
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You may be right but I still think that it comes down to execution on the field.
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Old 12-03-2004, 09:31 PM   #40
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Someone suggested we put Coles on IR and make him get the surgery that may or may not fix his foot. Here's my question - and it has nothing whatever to do with the diagnosis:

How do you force someone to have surgery? Do you threaten to cut him? What do you do if he says, "So cut me. I'll get the surgery after you cut me and then get another fat signing bonus somewhere else. Take you threats and stick them up your butt."

Do you kidnap him and drug him and smuggle him into the OR with your surgeons waiting there to take over?


Someone else said that we should trade Samuels for a veteran back-up QB. No need to trade him for anything. Veteran back-up QBs are ALWAYS available at no price other than a minimum contract in the summertime. I cannot think of a team that would trade a veteran back-up QB for an offensive tackle who is going to cost about $10M in salary next year and who will be a free agent at the end of next year. Unless of course that veteran back-up is Jeff George from the Bears...
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Old 12-03-2004, 09:53 PM   #41
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How do you force someone to have surgery? Do you threaten to cut him? What do you do if he says, "So cut me. I'll get the surgery after you cut me and then get another fat signing bonus somewhere else. Take you threats and stick them up your butt."

Do you kidnap him and drug him and smuggle him into the OR with your surgeons waiting there to take over?

What team will give him a big fat signing bonus knowing that he needs the surgery...I think he won't get any good offers until after he has the surgery...So if he threatens, as you say, to do it after we cut him he's gonna lose out on an entire season becuase he won't be on a team. Then maybe once he is healed he would probably get picked up again.

If he is a true Redskin, he will do what is best for the Team. If he's too concerned with himself then he's not a Joe Gibbs kinda player. We've got plenty of other receivers who can step up and take over his spot. I for one don't want to see him go but we need a team full of "team players" rather than individuals if we are going to see any improvements in the next year or two. Otherwise how is next year or the year after going to be any different than any of the last twelve years..."Team" attitude and consistency of staff and players are two things we haven't seen in a long time and it's about time we do.
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Old 12-04-2004, 12:06 AM   #42
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Gibbs seems to love Coles for his toughness, so I'd say he is a Gibbs kinda guy.

I think this whole needing surgery thing has really been blown out of proportion.

He was told surgery could possibly end his career, so it's obviously not a routine procedure.

I guess if he's a true Redskin he should take that chance? Easy for us to say, but this is his career we're talking about.
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Old 12-04-2004, 01:28 AM   #43
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The whole Coles thing is a really touchy subject, and I defintley see both sides of the story. I just think its very obvious that Coles dropped off as soon as this toe thing started, so I'm for surgery. But Mattys right, its easy for me to say beacuse I dont have to go through it. I just hope Coles makes the right decision for the team and himself.
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Old 12-04-2004, 01:36 AM   #44
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Trade Him. If he won't be the #1 receiver we're paying him to be, then ship him out to somewhere else and try to sign a badass receiver.
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Old 12-04-2004, 01:39 AM   #45
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Who is going to trade for damaged goods?
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