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Old 12-02-2004, 10:24 PM   #1
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Help get Art Monk into the HoF

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Old 12-03-2004, 12:31 AM   #2
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I sent an email to my local sportswriter,john mclain,I talk to him on a reg basis on a call in show here,I've heard him say before he thought clark was the better reciever,his wife is a huge skins fan and if she hasnt convinced him yet i probably wont,I'll email some of the others when I get time
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Old 12-03-2004, 12:38 AM   #3
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Art Monk was one of the greatest! What I liked about him the best is that he didn't run his mouth and have that "me" atittude...he just went out there and did his job. I see that in guys like Marvin Harrison. I can see the sportswriter's point on Gary Clark. I think that's because he was always the number one guy downfield and Art Monk was known more for being the possession type receiver. Man...if we had Art Monk, Gary Clark, and Ricky Sanders today, this season would be completely different!
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Old 12-03-2004, 08:50 AM   #4
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another thing he said was that Art Monk would never talk to the media{ I guess after games?} and that really pisses sportswriters off
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Old 12-03-2004, 11:41 AM   #5
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I don't blame Art Monk for doing that at all! The media is notorious for stripping down one's reputation.
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Old 12-03-2004, 12:00 PM   #6
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I hope he gets in, he will eventually. He deserves it more than some other receivers that are coming up for it.
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Old 12-03-2004, 08:42 PM   #7
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Players - especially the really good players - need to find a balance when dealing with the press. They have to keep them at arms length to some degree in order to have some privacy in their life and to keep the negativity of much of the press out of their life. BUT they ALSO have to be courteous to the press and minimally accomodating to their needs - deadlines for newspaper reporters and quick soundbite stuff for radio and TV guys.

The reason really good players need to do this is because it is those same press guys who will decide if you get into the HoF. And they are human too. If you spent a 15 yer career pissing them off and making theri jobs harder to do, they will be far less inclined to do something for you - like vot you into the Hall.

I believe the local guy who votes for HoF in football is Michael Wilbon of the Post and ESPN's PTI - but I'm not positive of that.
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Old 12-04-2004, 05:41 PM   #8
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I really don't recall the circumstances but I was always under the impression Monk didn't talk to the media because he's just a quiet, unassuming guy. I could be wrong, but it wasn't like he was shutting himself off because he was a prick or anything.

Still, it sucks to know that part of the reason that's holding him out of the Hall is certain guys in the media felt they were wronged by Monk is some way because he wasn't very open with them.
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Old 12-04-2004, 05:53 PM   #9
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Art Monk is indeed a quiet and intropsective and introverted and very intelligent man. But he did not "accomodate" himself very much to the "needs" of reporters. There were games where HE was the person that folks needed to talk to because he made the key play in the game - or very rarely was the player who botched the key play. In those cases he would talk to the press but it was clear that he did not want to do it and he was not working very hard to be helpful.

That is is right; no one can deny that.

But it did not make him popular with the guys who will do the voting. Only the press guys who covered the Skins for a while and got to know him really came to like him as a person - because they got to see his intelligence and his humanity.

BTW, have you noticed how few commercial sponsorships Monk has had here in the DC area over the time of his career or since he retired? That is part of the same thing.

We need joecrisp to chime in hiere. Joe, if you have deadlines and stories to write and maybe a sidebar to one of your gamers and the key player on the team is not available or is maddeningly late arriving for an interview and then answers all your questions in five words or less, is that going to make you happy with him? My guess is not until or unless you get to know him...
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Old 12-04-2004, 07:51 PM   #10
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monk for the HOF

I have wrote one email already and plan to write a couple more.Mainly to people in other parts of the country that didn't get to see Art all the time.Great thread,thanks.
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Old 12-05-2004, 12:49 AM   #11
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SC, what you're saying about the media is interesting because often times the reverse happens as well. Players are all too eager to talk. When I was working as a sports producer, I noticed there were several times when a player would approach reporters after a game and offer to speak. Even if we didn't need a soundbite.

On the surface you'd think "well, they're just being cooperative" and to an extent that was true, but more so they wanted to make sure they were on our good side and would remember them down the line. Don't think that LaVar isn't aware that many of these same reporters he's always eager to talk to are the same ones who will be punching his ticket to Canton...should that day ever come.

When I think of Art Monk though, I'm reminded of the Orioles' Eddie Murray. He was by no means a media darling and there were many who thought that would keep him out of the HOF a little longer. But the writers put aside any personal dislike or frustration and looked solely at his on-field performance. Murray was, deservedly, a first ballot Hall-of-Famer. I'd like to think the same rules of impartiality apply in Monk's case...but alas, it does not appear that way.
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Old 12-05-2004, 09:10 AM   #12
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We need joecrisp to chime in hiere. Joe, if you have deadlines and stories to write and maybe a sidebar to one of your gamers and the key player on the team is not available or is maddeningly late arriving for an interview and then answers all your questions in five words or less, is that going to make you happy with him? My guess is not until or unless you get to know him...
You definitely make a valid point, SC. In the short time that I've been covering the Redskins, I've been put off by more than a couple of the "star" players who felt I wasn't important enough to talk to. But then I noticed that they didn't make themselves very accomodating to any of the other reporters, either. Two players in particular, Coles and Portis, are notorious for playing "hard-to-get" with the Washington media, and the only time they really talk to them is when they're scheduled to do a press conference-- in other words, the Redskins' media relations department asks them very politely if they'd be kind enough to sit down and answer some questions.

The first time I tried to talk to these guys, I wasn't aware of their disdain for the media, and I was really taken aback at how cold they were towards me when I tried to introduce myself and ask them a few questions. Both of them pretty much walked right past me as if I didn't even exist. I was able to talk to Portis the second time I tried, but I had to walk right up to him head-on so he couldn't avoid me, and even then he wasn't going to talk to me, but the other reporters saw that I had him "corraled", so to speak, so they all hurried over and joined in. The first words out of his mouth, as he grimaced in disgust, were, "alright, y'all better ask your questions now, cuz there ain't gonna be another one for a while."

Now you know where Sean Taylor learned how to deal with the media.

Obviously, it does have an effect on the way reporters think about these players. Even if the reporters claim to hold no ill-regard towards the players that act this way, it's impossible not to take at least some sense of insult away from experiences like that. After all, these players do get paid an awful lot of money, not just to play their sport, but to deal in a mature and professional manner with all of the other peripheral "distractions" that go along with being a professional athlete. When one of these wealthy players treats you as if you just climbed out of a sewer, it does have a tendency to make you feel a little insulted. That's just on a personal level; that doesn't even take into consideration the professional frustration that reporters feel when they aren't able to get the information or soundbites they need to complete their assignments.

On the other hand, you've got players like Fred Smoot, who always has a smile on his face, always takes a good-natured approach towards the media, and never gives you a one sentence response to any question. Even with amateur reporters like myself, Fred makes you feel as if you're important and worthy of his time. I can tell you right now, if I had to cast a ballot for the Hall of Fame-- and I had to choose between Coles, Portis, Taylor or Smoot-- Fred Smoot would get my vote every time, just based on the way he handles the media.

I love Art Monk, and I think based on his career accomplishments, he deserved to be a first-ballot Hall of Famer. But now I can also understand, on a personal level, why he wasn't. That doesn't mean I agree with voters like Peter King and Paul Zimmerman, who dismiss Monk's career accomplishments with faulty arguments that cover up their selfish and personal vendetta against Monk for his disregard towards the media during his career. If you don't like a player because he didn't talk to reporters, then just say it, and stop insulting our intelligence with these lame excuses like, "Monk just wasn't a game-breaker" or "he didn't score enough touchdowns". Puh-leease.
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Old 12-08-2004, 10:08 PM   #13
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joecrisp:

Thank you very much for your insight here.

Here is a summary of what I think you said:

1. Even if Ade Jimoh is the nicest human being on Earth and the best source of quote material for your ledes, you won't vote him into Canton based on what his on-field performance has been. Good for you.

2. However, ther are others who hold grudges for years and find ways to vote against people who "stiffed them". That's human nature and that's not going to change any time soon.

Moral of the story is that old saying: Be nice to the people that you meet on your way up the ladder because they are the same ones you'll meet on your way down...
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