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Old 08-16-2011, 11:51 AM   #136
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In Redskins lore Sam Bradford will always be the fish that got away.
yup, even though they had no chance at getting him
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Old 08-16-2011, 12:55 PM   #137
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yep I agree Matty.

There may be a guy or two from this years draft that we could have a legitimate grip against missing out on.

BTW I love our draft and cannot fault the FO for trying to get us as many players as possible.
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Old 08-16-2011, 09:02 PM   #138
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Fine let me rephrase. I don't think there's a shot in hell that McCoy's career is going to be better than Bradford's. No hate for McCoy, I have confidence he CAN be very good, but I also have confidence that Bradford WILL be Great.
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Old 08-16-2011, 09:05 PM   #139
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Sam wasn't even a big time QB in HS here, in fact he was considered a better golfer than QB. Guy just worked hard and is a very underrated athlete with a Big time arm and all the smarts. basically he has all the tools to be a great one.
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Old 08-16-2011, 09:45 PM   #140
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I wouldn't say Franchise QB's for Schaub he hasn't even made a Playoff appearance yet.. Flacco is JC imo
If Flacco is JC, then you have just thrown the rest of the Redskins' roster under the bus.

Flacco's team has made the playoffs more than once; JC and the Redskins were also-rans. If Flacco = JC, that can only mean that the rest of the Skins team stunk it up and cost a playoff berth.

Is that your message?
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Old 08-16-2011, 09:47 PM   #141
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I would take Eli Manning over Flacco any day....look at Flacco's playoff figures, I don't think they're good. But then again, I'd take Rex Grossman over Flacco also. Rex is the man, the savior of D.C. He's going to surpass Brad Johnson's numbers of the '99 season when the Redskins had the 2nd best offense in the NFL.
Do you mean that the Skins will post better offensive numbers than they did in 1999 or that they will be better in the NFL rankings on offense than they were in 1999?

If you mean the latter, there is ONLY ONE possible outcome:
The Skins will have THE BEST offense in the NFL in 2011.
I would be willing to take that wager...
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Old 08-16-2011, 09:54 PM   #142
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Has Bradford won the superbowl or an MVP trophy?
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Old 08-16-2011, 10:00 PM   #143
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It's funny we probably could have drafted Rex Grossman and Jabar Gaffney instead of Patrick Ramsey and Taylor Jacobs in '02 and '03. The Redskins management has really been ridiculous season after season, but I believe this is really the turn of the Redskins and it will be led by Rex Grossman. I remember wishing we hadn't drafted Patrick Ramsey so we would be going after Grossman the next draft. I bet Spurrier didn't want to draft Ramsey, and if he had the chance to get Grossman I bet his offense would have been a lot more dynamic. Grossman led the Bears to the super bowl his first season as a starter. I really look at the rest of the NFL for being pretty stupid for not getting this guy, basically because I know he can play and the Redskins are going to surprise the NFL. The Redskins receiving core is actually good too even though it didn't look that way a month ago. I really like how Terrence Austin has been looking.
Never let facts get in the way of conclusions:

1. Patrick Ramsey was the draft pick "mandated" by Danny Boy. He told the Wash Post Magazine that he was the one who "discovered" Ramsey and recognized the strength of Ramsey's arm and realized that the Skins needed to take him before any other team did.

2. Grossman took the Bears to the Super Bowl in the ONLY season that he was the starter for the entire season - - not in his FIRST year as a starter. He was with the Bears for two years after that Super Bowl run; would you like to demonstrate for all of us here what his awe-inspiring stats were for those seasons? My recollection is - - and I will be happy to be corrected here - - that Grossman lost his starting job about 3-5 games into the season after he "led the Bears" to the Super Bowl and that he never recovered his job in Chicago for a season and a half.

3. If - - I said IF - - the Shanahans decide to sit Grossman on the bench and play John Beck at the start of the 2011 season, are you going to say that the Shanahans are a bunch of dummies just like the rest of the NFL because they do not recognize the greatness of Rex Grossman? Remember, you will be saying that a two-time Super Bowl winning head coach is a doofus if that is your position...

4. I still think you are Rex Grossman's mother posting here under the screen-name jonny5dicky.
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Old 08-16-2011, 10:02 PM   #144
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Eli is overrated. He had the one SB and it will be all downhill from there. He ahs a nasty tendency to throw INTs when the game is on the line or real close. Favre started doing this when he hit the big 36. How old is Eli?
If that is your criterion for "overrated", what is your adjective to describe Rex Grossman who can either throw an INT when the game is close OR he can fumble the ball away in the same circumstance? Does Grossman's "versitility" here count as a positive or a negative?
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Old 08-17-2011, 11:22 AM   #145
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Is it not allowed in your world SC to discuss other teams and players without it having to relate back to the Skins in some fashion? lol
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Old 08-17-2011, 11:50 AM   #146
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I wouldn't say Franchise QB's for Schaub he hasn't even made a Playoff appearance yet.. Flacco is JC imo
Don't blame Houston's awful D on Schaub. Flacco actually has accuracy as well, something JC will never consistently have.
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Old 08-17-2011, 12:52 PM   #147
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Eli Manning is underrated. He is a franchise qb IMO. Stats are strongly correlated with how good a player is, but they are not the end all be all. I watched alot of NYG games last season, The vast majority of picks Eli threw did not seem to be his fault.

Flacco is junk, he is JC IMO. Flacco doesn't seem to have 3 critical elements of being a franchise qb. He doesn't seem to have good vision, he doesn't seem to have good pocket presence (he lead the league in sacks after 3 seconds), and he doesn't seem to be able to deliver the ball quickly to his intended targets (yes I know he has arm strength, but the time from when he sees his target to when he throws the ball seems to be forever). Basically, he doesn't seem to have the intangibles needed to be an above average qb.
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Old 08-17-2011, 12:58 PM   #148
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What Flacco has done in his first 3 years is impressive, and he's only getting better.

It boggles my mind that anyone could call him junk.
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Never let facts get in the way of conclusions:

1. Patrick Ramsey was the draft pick "mandated" by Danny Boy. He told the Wash Post Magazine that he was the one who "discovered" Ramsey and recognized the strength of Ramsey's arm and realized that the Skins needed to take him before any other team did.

2. Grossman took the Bears to the Super Bowl in the ONLY season that he was the starter for the entire season - - not in his FIRST year as a starter. He was with the Bears for two years after that Super Bowl run; would you like to demonstrate for all of us here what his awe-inspiring stats were for those seasons? My recollection is - - and I will be happy to be corrected here - - that Grossman lost his starting job about 3-5 games into the season after he "led the Bears" to the Super Bowl and that he never recovered his job in Chicago for a season and a half.

3. If - - I said IF - - the Shanahans decide to sit Grossman on the bench and play John Beck at the start of the 2011 season, are you going to say that the Shanahans are a bunch of dummies just like the rest of the NFL because they do not recognize the greatness of Rex Grossman? Remember, you will be saying that a two-time Super Bowl winning head coach is a doofus if that is your position...

4. I still think you are Rex Grossman's mother posting here under the screen-name jonny5dicky.
Not to sidetrack this conversation, but that's not exactly true about #1. Regardless of what Snyder told the WaPo Magazine. Ramsey was not their first choice. Choice #1. Heck 1-3 was Joey Harrington. They tried desperately to move up to get him. When that option failed, they decided they would sit at #18 and wait to see if Donte Stallworth fell to them. When that didn't happen is when they mobilized a trade down with the Patriots to get Ramsey and add picks later in the draft. He can say he "discovered" Ramsey (whatever that means) and that Ramsey was the guy they wanted. But I can tell you first hand it was really Joey Harrington all along. Why do you think they were so close to trading Ramsey to the Bears before he even took a snap with the team?

Ok, now back to the topic at hand
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What Flacco has done in his first 3 years is impressive, and he's only getting better.

It boggles my mind that anyone could call him junk.
I tend to overexagerate, but the sentiment stays the same. I just have high standards, and don't believe him to be a Franchise qb. I really think that if JC was drafted by the ravens, there wouldnt be too much of a difference of the Ravens outcomes. He's good enough to start somewhere, so "junk" maybe not the right word. But no matter what I call him, I still don't want him to be my franchise qb.
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