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Old 12-15-2010, 11:45 PM   #76
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Actually the browns get more yards per game than the rams. But they are close enough that it is irrelivant.
Right.
But you said this:
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Also, McCoy greatly benefits from Hillis
Which is why i pointed out that in fact Stephen Jackson gives Bradford more YPG then Hillis gives the Browns:
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Stephen Jackson actually gives Bradford more yards per game then Hillis does for the Browns: 83.2 ypg vs 82.3 ypg
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What I find to be most relivant for a featured back is YPC and TDs. The fact that Jackson has significantly worse ypc, but the same yards means that the rams (bradford) completes more 3rd down conversions than the browns.
This is a unsupported blanket assumption/opinion/speculation the lower ypc could have any number of meanings.


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Anyways, I view McCoy as a lesser roethlesberger. Someone who is not a conventional qb, but finds a way to win. His numbers do suck though, and he has not done enough to convince me beyond doubt that he has what it takes to lead a winning ballclub. I haven't written McCoy off yet, but he still hasn't done enough to prove anything to me.
Colts numbers sucks? But Bradford's are the best you've ever seen for a rookie QB?
81/127---63.8 comp %
975 yards
7.7 YPA
3 TDs/ 3 INTs
85.3 QB Rating

I view McCoy kinda like a cross between a more disciplined version of Romo and a bigger stronger armed Jeff Garcia.
Anyway here's some McCoy highlights:


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Old 12-16-2010, 05:29 AM   #77
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Right.
But you said this:

Which is why i pointed out that in fact Stephen Jackson gives Bradford more YPG then Hillis gives the Browns:



This is a unsupported blanket assumption/opinion/speculation the lower ypc could have any number of meanings.



Colts numbers sucks? But Bradford's are the best you've ever seen for a rookie QB?
81/127---63.8 comp %
975 yards
7.7 YPA
3 TDs/ 3 INTs
85.3 QB Rating

I view McCoy kinda like a cross between a more disciplined version of Romo and a bigger stronger armed Jeff Garcia.
Anyway here's some McCoy highlights:



I do have responses for your posts, but I'm craming for finals now. I'm not going to respond, but don't think this means I'm done...I'll be back (hopefully I'll remember to be back).
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Old 12-16-2010, 08:20 AM   #78
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Yea well I want a superbowl, and I think to try and accomplish anything else is ludacris, and I don't really understand why you wouldn't want that either.

Where did I EVER state that I didn't want the Redskins to win a Super Bowl? And where does it STATE that in order to win a Super Bowl, you must have a franchise QB? Obviously, that isn't true, because the Redskins, Bucs, Ravens, and Giants have all proved that an overall solid team with depth is going to win you Super Bowls.

On the contrary, there have been several teams with franchise QBs that didn't win Super Bowls with those Franchise QBs. Oh, Dan Marino comes to mind. And Elway didn't when his Super Bowls until he had a great supporting cast around him. So, don't tell me that the only way a team wins it all is if they have a franchise QB, because that isn't the case.
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Old 12-16-2010, 09:58 AM   #79
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I do have responses for your posts, but I'm craming for finals now. I'm not going to respond, but don't think this means I'm done...I'll be back (hopefully I'll remember to be back).
I hear yah bro, just finished last week.
I got all the time in the world.
But, when you post keep in mind that i don't disagree that Bradford is playing well.
However the notion that he's basically the best rookie QB ever while playing in vacuum without help isn't true.
And some of the assertions you've made to support that he's succeeding without help have already been disproven i.e.-
1) he doesn't have a running game
2) he doesn't have a good OL
3) he doesn't have a good OC

Good Luck on your finals try and get a good night sleep before the exam
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My initial point wasn't that Bradford wasn't playing well it contained what i thought most non-casual fans would already know and my opinion about Colt McCoy's performance:
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C-Jason Brown
LT-Smith
RT-Rogers Saffold

RB-Stephen Jackson

Plus Pat Shurmur at OC guiding a young QB

Then you also have to look at Colt McCoy also he's playing quite well in his limited starts
Bradford and the Rams have some of the basic essentials needed to support a QB especially a young QB.
In short a bad team especially at certain key areas within a bad franchise cannot support a franchise QB.
Eg. the Buccs they had Steve Young and Doug Williams (although Doug took them to the playoffs both struggled their and won SB elsewhere)
A QBs success is largely situation dependent.
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Old 12-16-2010, 02:18 PM   #80
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Sad thing is that we couldn't end up getting him even though we tried endlessly. The whole reason McNabb was even brought in was to facilitate a trade to the Rams (packaged with the #4) which they pulled out of. (and hence why McNabb is really here)
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Old 12-16-2010, 05:01 PM   #81
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Sad thing is that we couldn't end up getting him even though we tried endlessly. The whole reason McNabb was even brought in was to facilitate a trade to the Rams (packaged with the #4) which they pulled out of. (and hence why McNabb is really here)
Interesting theory
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Yeah I was going to say and he knows this how...?
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Old 12-16-2010, 06:28 PM   #83
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^ he knows it from bleacher report probably SMH, because they are always reliable. They also reported that we were getting cutler through a 3 team trade that had Cooley going to Cleveland lol
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Old 12-16-2010, 06:45 PM   #84
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Sad thing is that we couldn't end up getting him even though we tried endlessly. The whole reason McNabb was even brought in was to facilitate a trade to the Rams (packaged with the #4) which they pulled out of. (and hence why McNabb is really here)
The government also carried out controlled demolitions for 9/11 and the masons secretly run the banks while planning the creation of a NWO using suggestions provided by the aliens that landed in Roswell during the 50's. The aliens also taught us how to make a moon landing look real.
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Old 12-16-2010, 07:00 PM   #86
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The government also carried out controlled demolitions for 9/11 and the masons secretly run the banks while planning the creation of a NWO using suggestions provided by the aliens that landed in Roswell during the 50's. The aliens also taught us how to make a moon landing look real.
Oh this is old news! AND....when you're in the NWO, you're in the NWO for llllllliiiiiiiffffffeeeeeee........!!!!!
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Old 12-16-2010, 07:06 PM   #87
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Is Saffold really better or has he been a really good rookie tackle thats been fortunate enough to only face a fraction of the elite pass rushers Williams has had to take on? Still I thought Saffold would be good, but not better then Williams/Okung good.
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Old 12-16-2010, 07:44 PM   #88
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Thanks for the link.
Interesting stuff especially picks No.4 and No.7
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Old 01-12-2011, 09:03 PM   #89
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Remember that Pat Shurmur guy?
He's about to become a HC.
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Remember that Pat Shurmur guy?
He's about to become a HC.
It's a fantastic pick for the Browns, who could be right up with the Ravens and Steelers as soon as 2012.
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