Ty Law wants out of NE

SkinsRock · 03-15-2004, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyredskin63

when you sign your contract you are giving your word legally you will honor it.if you are any type of man you honor that respectfully.i'm sorry your word is your bond i do not care if you are wealthy or homeless.if he had any sense at all or any honor,he would protest in a respectful way not like a spoiled child.

If you look at it that way, the owner or someone from the team also agreed to it and signed it, so they should also honor it and not ask him to restucture.

cpayne5 · 03-15-2004, 01:16 PM

If Ty Law has been treated poorly by NE, I don't see any problem with him sitting out. If he is greedy and is only after more money, then I have no patience for that. As for you guys who are saying that its ok for a player to sit out because the teams can cut you at anytime, you should read a contract. I'm sure that there are stipulations in it that explicitly say when and why a player can be cut. There are NO stipulations in it that say a player can sit (without forfeiting a pay check).

johnnyredskin63 · 03-15-2004, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinsRock

If you look at it that way, the owner or someone from the team also agreed to it and signed it, so they should also honor it and not ask him to restucture.

that's true,but i am sure they told him they may have to do that on down the road.i agree that both sides should agree to carry out the complete terms of the contract,regardless.lets face it,if the owners could not get the players to restructure their deals,the league would be extremely boring.

johnnyredskin63 · 03-15-2004, 05:36 PM

these guys are making millions playing the game you can't help but love.most of them say they would play for a pat on the fanny.how about a pat and the fanny and millions
of dollars?play the game already fellows.

Daseal · 03-15-2004, 05:44 PM

First of all, what's all the talk about him sitting out. He said he want's out of the orginization, but he clearly states he WILL PLAY OUT THE REST OF HIS CONTRACT. The signing bonus point is good, but in the long run would save NE money to cut him, and he even offered to buy it out. Which to me says how much he really no longer wants to be in NE.

I don't think a player of Law's stature should have to take a paycut after he had an incrediable season and took them to a Super Bowl. He's not happy within the orginization and ASKED to be let out. Is he demanding anything? Is he going to sit out? As far as I'm concerned with all the trades/cuts going on, why not ask. You might just get your wish. Sure he can stay on the Pats pay roll for two years making a shitload of money and not restructure or want to be there. Or they could trade him for another player and picks (I hear Seattle is willing to let Alexander go for a CB) and I bet you they use 1 of the 1st rounders on a CB.

Riggo44 · 03-15-2004, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyredskin63

it is hard for me to sit here and be sorry for anybody no matter who he/she is that makes the kind of money most of these guys make.the man has more money than he'll ever need in 3 lifetimes for god's sake.i would love to be in his position as would i'm sure any other blue collar type of man would.he needs to wake up and smell what he is standing in. :smashfrea

I agree it's a joke how greedy some of these guy's are!

Daseal · 03-15-2004, 05:49 PM

Stop with the greed. It's an insult.

I'm paying you 30,000 dollars a year, and it's time for your yearly review. You've been an excellent part of my company and you've really helped us do a lot here! I'm prepared to offer you 18,000 dollars a year now. You've done so well you've earned a paycut. Congratulations.

Listen, none of us would EVER take that in our real lives, why should these guys? Granted the numbers are quite a bit higher, but if you were in his position you'd do the same damn thing. You want to give me a fraction of my previous salary, even though I had a pro-bowl callibre year?

Don't even lie and say that wouldn't piss you off, especially if you weren't exactly happy with the company. You'd go shopping.

Contracts in the NFL are meant to be broke. Mainly by owners, but I see absolutly no problem in a player asking to be released. If I were an owner I'd like to know who doesn't want to be there. I'd try to work it out with the player, but if I couldn't I'd probably release them. Simply because you want people who want to be there. Anyhow, I think Ty Law wants to make money (who can blame them, I don't see anyone crucifying LaVar after his outrageous contract, he's just trying to get his, right?)

johnnyredskin63 · 03-15-2004, 05:56 PM

if i was making twenty million and my employer asked me to take a paycut to ten million,i'd damn sure take it.how many houses,cars,boats,exwives,5 legged donkeys
does one person need?come on,the guy makes boatloads playing a kids game for christ sake.be happy and have fun while you can.life is just too short not to brudder.

Daseal · 03-15-2004, 05:58 PM

Even if you could make 30 million else where? I seriously doubt you'd take a 10 million paycut before you'd take a 10 million raise.

johnnyredskin63 · 03-15-2004, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Even if you could make 30 million else where? I seriously doubt you'd take a 10 million paycut before you'd take a 10 million raise.

you jusst do'nt know me too well my friend.if i were making that type of money and my family was happy,i'd stay i do'nt care how much i was offered elsewhere.

:headbange trust me,when you have gone through the shit i have,money is'nt that important.

SmootSmack · 03-16-2004, 01:18 AM

The argument players often make when it comes to their contracts, be it taking a pay cut, settling for less money, or simply restructuring, is that they're negotiating not only for themselves but also for future players. If, for example, Ty Law (arguably a top 5 cornerback) agrees to settle for less money what does it do for his fellow union members? Especially cornerbacks who hope to negotiate new contracts soon. Someone like Fred Smoot for example.

How sincere this argument is I don't know, but I know that it's often brought up

Daseal · 03-16-2004, 07:27 AM

Offiss, read the article. It will help you understand Ty Law a lot better. I don't think he's being an ass at all. It's not a tiny pay cut they want him to take either. I think they said 18 million, which is way less than his current contract. I think he'll make over 18 mil these last two years! Well, not quite, but still.

Johnny, I understand that money isn't the end all be all of existance, but everyone here admits it's quite a luxury to have. These guys are bartering for their families future with money, sure they have money, but if they get more there's a better chance to invest it correctly. These guys work all year basicly straight through. Sure, they get vacations now and then, and they love what they do, but that doesn't make it any less grueling! Not to mention, it only takes 1 play for you to never see the field again. You better get the money when you have a chance.

Hell, look at our own Dexter Manly. A college degree for football players means nothing. He went through (or at least part) of college and couldn't even read. They learn football, nothing else.

saden1 · 03-16-2004, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyredskin63

you jusst do'nt know me too well my friend.if i were making that type of money and my family was happy,i'd stay i do'nt care how much i was offered elsewhere.

:headbange trust me,when you have gone through the shit i have,money is'nt that important.

Like the man said...he has to eat. Believe me the more money you have, the more money you don't have. You'll first buy a big house, and then a big boat...family is asking for money from left to right because you are loaded so you give them some. Nice Jag, let me buy it. Wow, this diamond is phat...let me cop that. 10 million might seem like a lot, but once you have that kind of money your living standards go up....way up. All of a sudden 10 million seems like nothing. 10 million is nothing man ...it is chump change. You can't even open up a nice movie theater or a motel with that kind of money nowadays. Sure you could put that money and invest it but come on, if you have never had that kind of money before you are bound to spend it.

Daseal · 03-18-2004, 07:29 AM

Ug, after reading my quote I need to read my posts before I post them. There are so many grammar mistakes it's like I'm back in elementary school! Hurray for tense switching.

Anyhow, I really like Ty Law and wish him the best, but I think NE is trying to really work him over here. I hate NE and hope Ty gets out and they don't even make the playoffs, which I think with Ty they might not even make. They really aren't that talented and I'm not a fan of their formula. If they didn't have the coaching staff they have those bunch of no names would be at the bottom of their division.

03-15-2004, 05:36 PM	#19
johnnyredskin63 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 203	these guys are making millions playing the game you can't help but love.most of them say they would play for a pat on the fanny.how about a pat and the fanny and millions of dollars?play the game already fellows. __________________ it's me,bigredskinfan63 bigledzepfan63 "the sea was red and the sky was grey,wondered how tommorow could ever follow today HAIL TO THE REDSKINS always remember ladies and germs-THE COWBOYS SUCK

03-15-2004, 05:56 PM	#23
johnnyredskin63 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 203	if i was making twenty million and my employer asked me to take a paycut to ten million,i'd damn sure take it.how many houses,cars,boats,exwives,5 legged donkeys does one person need?come on,the guy makes boatloads playing a kids game for christ sake.be happy and have fun while you can.life is just too short not to brudder. __________________ it's me,bigredskinfan63 bigledzepfan63 "the sea was red and the sky was grey,wondered how tommorow could ever follow today HAIL TO THE REDSKINS always remember ladies and germs-THE COWBOYS SUCK

03-16-2004, 01:18 AM	#26
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,105	The argument players often make when it comes to their contracts, be it taking a pay cut, settling for less money, or simply restructuring, is that they're negotiating not only for themselves but also for future players. If, for example, Ty Law (arguably a top 5 cornerback) agrees to settle for less money what does it do for his fellow union members? Especially cornerbacks who hope to negotiate new contracts soon. Someone like Fred Smoot for example. How sincere this argument is I don't know, but I know that it's often brought up __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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03-15-2004, 01:16 PM	#17
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,804	If Ty Law has been treated poorly by NE, I don't see any problem with him sitting out. If he is greedy and is only after more money, then I have no patience for that. As for you guys who are saying that its ok for a player to sit out because the teams can cut you at anytime, you should read a contract. I'm sure that there are stipulations in it that explicitly say when and why a player can be cut. There are NO stipulations in it that say a player can sit (without forfeiting a pay check).

03-15-2004, 05:44 PM	#20
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,058	First of all, what's all the talk about him sitting out. He said he want's out of the orginization, but he clearly states he WILL PLAY OUT THE REST OF HIS CONTRACT. The signing bonus point is good, but in the long run would save NE money to cut him, and he even offered to buy it out. Which to me says how much he really no longer wants to be in NE. I don't think a player of Law's stature should have to take a paycut after he had an incrediable season and took them to a Super Bowl. He's not happy within the orginization and ASKED to be let out. Is he demanding anything? Is he going to sit out? As far as I'm concerned with all the trades/cuts going on, why not ask. You might just get your wish. Sure he can stay on the Pats pay roll for two years making a shitload of money and not restructure or want to be there. Or they could trade him for another player and picks (I hear Seattle is willing to let Alexander go for a CB) and I bet you they use 1 of the 1st rounders on a CB.

03-15-2004, 05:49 PM	#22
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,058	Stop with the greed. It's an insult. I'm paying you 30,000 dollars a year, and it's time for your yearly review. You've been an excellent part of my company and you've really helped us do a lot here! I'm prepared to offer you 18,000 dollars a year now. You've done so well you've earned a paycut. Congratulations. Listen, none of us would EVER take that in our real lives, why should these guys? Granted the numbers are quite a bit higher, but if you were in his position you'd do the same damn thing. You want to give me a fraction of my previous salary, even though I had a pro-bowl callibre year? Don't even lie and say that wouldn't piss you off, especially if you weren't exactly happy with the company. You'd go shopping. Contracts in the NFL are meant to be broke. Mainly by owners, but I see absolutly no problem in a player asking to be released. If I were an owner I'd like to know who doesn't want to be there. I'd try to work it out with the player, but if I couldn't I'd probably release them. Simply because you want people who want to be there. Anyhow, I think Ty Law wants to make money (who can blame them, I don't see anyone crucifying LaVar after his outrageous contract, he's just trying to get his, right?)

03-15-2004, 05:58 PM	#24
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,058	Even if you could make 30 million else where? I seriously doubt you'd take a 10 million paycut before you'd take a 10 million raise.

03-16-2004, 07:27 AM	#27
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,058	Offiss, read the article. It will help you understand Ty Law a lot better. I don't think he's being an ass at all. It's not a tiny pay cut they want him to take either. I think they said 18 million, which is way less than his current contract. I think he'll make over 18 mil these last two years! Well, not quite, but still. Johnny, I understand that money isn't the end all be all of existance, but everyone here admits it's quite a luxury to have. These guys are bartering for their families future with money, sure they have money, but if they get more there's a better chance to invest it correctly. These guys work all year basicly straight through. Sure, they get vacations now and then, and they love what they do, but that doesn't make it any less grueling! Not to mention, it only takes 1 play for you to never see the field again. You better get the money when you have a chance. Hell, look at our own Dexter Manly. A college degree for football players means nothing. He went through (or at least part) of college and couldn't even read. They learn football, nothing else.

03-18-2004, 07:29 AM	#29
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,058	Ug, after reading my quote I need to read my posts before I post them. There are so many grammar mistakes it's like I'm back in elementary school! Hurray for tense switching. Anyhow, I really like Ty Law and wish him the best, but I think NE is trying to really work him over here. I hate NE and hope Ty gets out and they don't even make the playoffs, which I think with Ty they might not even make. They really aren't that talented and I'm not a fan of their formula. If they didn't have the coaching staff they have those bunch of no names would be at the bottom of their division.

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