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Old 12-13-2004, 01:01 AM   #541
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bad decision by ramsey, but even worse playcalling... that was the absolute worst play call for that situation EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why can we not run a little time off the clock so we don't give it back mcnabb and co?? that sucked big time. Gibbs needs to hire an offensive coordinator and just stick to motivational speaking for the team or something.... that was just rediculous. he hasn't cleaned up the mental errors, he hasn't fixed his damn clock management blunders. he always goes away from the run even if we're down by one friggin point, he completely forgets about Portis. the waterboy could've whipped up a better game plan and playcalling than that. HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And if we won the game tonight do you still bash Gibbs for the playcalling or do you step up and say "oh my god nothing but sheer genius!" Truth be told, so many fans expected Coach Gibbs to take us to playoff heaven in the first year, and since that's not happening, now he's an idiot of an OC. Well let me tell ya folks the problems here go a lot freakin deeper than playcalling. Of all the penalty yards tonight, 10 yds was from Delay of Game, which rests solely on the coaching staff getting the play on the field, but the other 90+ yards were from players not getting the job done on the field. Not to make excuses for Coach Gibbs, but he really didn't inherit much of a team here to begin with. Yes there's lots of talent and there's plenty of big salaried players, but there was a serious lack of team cohesion and discipline when Gibbs came in and that is nothing that is going to be solved overnight.
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Old 12-13-2004, 01:25 AM   #542
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Longtimeskinsfan: We did waste a TO right after a penelty. Took another TO to avoid delay of game.

That being said, everyone would say he's a genius. Look at a former thread. I said Gibbs had awesome playcalling vs the Giants (a great mix) but said the rest of the season it was horrible, and couldn't find a single person that agreed. Now everyone says it's bad.

That being said, stop the bullshit with he didn't inherit much of a team. I think that a team with a lot of talent along the O line, Clinton Portis, two very good receivers (not great or excellent, but very good) and a great young Hback and QB. The offense has certainly played way below it's potential. Especially with all the chances they get thanks to an amazing defense.
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Old 12-13-2004, 01:32 AM   #543
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Oh I agree with Daseal. We defintley had about as much as you could ask for as far as offensive weapons as you can ask for. The Jansen injury is so much bigger than alot of people think, but that was the first big fall of our offense. Then the QB debacle. But yea, our offense didnt achive its potential. It could be the new system, but I expect basically the same guys with a new center to be in there next year, so if he didnt get much of a team, i think it would be a overhaul.
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Old 12-13-2004, 01:38 AM   #544
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Longtimeskinsfan: We did waste a TO right after a penelty. Took another TO to avoid delay of game.

That being said, everyone would say he's a genius. Look at a former thread. I said Gibbs had awesome playcalling vs the Giants (a great mix) but said the rest of the season it was horrible, and couldn't find a single person that agreed. Now everyone says it's bad.

That being said, stop the bullshit with he didn't inherit much of a team. I think that a team with a lot of talent along the O line, Clinton Portis, two very good receivers (not great or excellent, but very good) and a great young Hback and QB. The offense has certainly played way below it's potential. Especially with all the chances they get thanks to an amazing defense.
I don't say the playcalling is bad....And Gibbs didn't inherit Portis or Cooley, he brought them in. Gibbs inherited some very raw players in Dockery and Ramsey. Furthermore, as Gmanc says the Jansen injury was huge. And I think missing Hall and him still not being 100% has been tough on us as well
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Old 12-13-2004, 07:18 AM   #545
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That being said, stop the bullshit with he didn't inherit much of a team. I think that a team with a lot of talent along the O line, Clinton Portis, two very good receivers (not great or excellent, but very good) and a great young Hback and QB. The offense has certainly played way below it's potential. Especially with all the chances they get thanks to an amazing defense.
Daseal: If you take the time to read what other people say, you won't go off half-cocked making statements that make you look like such a young pup dumb ass. Do you seriously consider Patrick Ramsey a great young QB like a Peyton Mannning or David Carr? I sure don't. He has the physical skills, but his field presence and command of the game is nowhere near the same level in my opinion. And who is the Hback he inherited? Ladell Betts or Rock Cartwright? He went out and made the deal to get Portis. Furthermore if you fully read my comment you would have also noted:

Yes there's lots of talent and there's plenty of big salaried players, but there was a serious lack of team cohesion and discipline when Gibbs came in and that is nothing that is going to be solved overnight.

That's where I see the real problem on this team. Not a lack of talent or salary but plain and simple a lack of team cohesion and discipline. We are presently a group of highly talented individuals that are becoming a team, but the sense of unity and continuity are developing but not complete yet.
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Old 12-14-2004, 11:56 AM   #546
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to go from the playcalling in the Giants game to what we did in the Eagles game was night and day... i can't stand gibbs calling the game like he's more conservative than pat robertson. and then going for a bomb into the endzone that would give the most explosive offense in the league 2 minutes even if we did score. just plain dumb!!! if we score there i still say nay on that call. you've got to run the clock down so you don't have to worry about giving their offense a chance AT ALL....
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Old 12-14-2004, 12:16 PM   #547
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Did you honestly expect it as easy with the Eagles? The differences between both teams [Giants and Eagles] are night and day. I didn't get to see the game so I can't comment on the playcalling, but I suspect that the team was in an opportunity to win the game regardless.
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Old 12-14-2004, 04:27 PM   #548
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to go from the playcalling in the Giants game to what we did in the Eagles game was night and day... i can't stand gibbs calling the game like he's more conservative than pat robertson. and then going for a bomb into the endzone that would give the most explosive offense in the league 2 minutes even if we did score. just plain dumb!!! if we score there i still say nay on that call. you've got to run the clock down so you don't have to worry about giving their offense a chance AT ALL....
It's not like our defense is a bunch of pushovers though. And if not for that bogus PI call on Springs, we had done a pretty good job against the Eagles who would have needed a touchdown to beat us had we scored on that Cooley pass.
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