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Old 03-04-2011, 04:27 PM   #211
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It's a good start. I'm starting to feel that this gets done now and not into the summer as I originally feared. (sent from phone)
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Old 03-04-2011, 04:33 PM   #212
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Things are definitely sounding encouraging

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Big deal either way. It is like they are just doing this to add to the suspense so people will be ever so thankful that they got a deal done. I saythis because it is inevitable that a deal is going to be hammered out. Neither side can afford a lockout in the long run. The day of reckoning is going to come sooner or later though, as inflation is going to slowly kill of the dollar and raise prices on everything. Salaries and ticket prices need to come down or the NFL is going to price itself out of existence. An eighteen game season isn't going to help that much either.
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Old 03-04-2011, 07:21 PM   #214
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Tedy Bruschi was right it seems...well, if there's an agreement by mid-March he'll have been right. He said back in January it would come down to the last day and there would either be a last minute extension or a one-two week lockout
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I know I come off as being cynical, but the bottom line is money for both sides, as well as the future of the NFL. With the economy in the tank and the dollar in doubt, a lockout would give the fans an extra incentive to take a hike. If the dollar does take a dive, the last thing folks are going to be worrying about is the NFL. And if they do lockout, any diehard fan is going to be very hardpressed to justify spending a dime on the NFL.
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Ever since the NFL became certified it has always been my belief the "fan" should in some way have a seat at the negotiating table.

Public ownership of teams is an issue I don't see gaining much traction.

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Ever since the NFL became certified it has always been my belief the "fan" should in some way have a seat at the negotiating table.

Public ownership of teams is an issue I don't see gaining much traction.

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Although great conceptually, there are a ton of issues with publically owned teams. If there is too much public say, bad decisions result. Governments are also forced to make more team based decisions, which leads to wasteful spending.

See many european soccer clubs/teams for examples.

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Although great conceptually, there are a ton of issues with publically owned teams. If there is too much public say, bad decisions result. Governments are also forced to make more team based decisions, which leads to wasteful spending.

See many european soccer clubs/teams for examples.

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There are definitely drawbacks to public ownership. Advocates of private ownership argue that team owners assume tremendous financial risk, putting up large amounts of money and taking on debt. Conceptually, this is true; in practice, the financial risk is minimal. NFL ratings continue to soar, delivering a reliable audience in an otherwise fragmented media era.
Not coincidentally, franchise values also continue to rise. Located in a city of just 102,000 people, the Packers have an estimated worth of $1 billion.
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There are definitely drawbacks to public ownership. Advocates of private ownership argue that team owners assume tremendous financial risk, putting up large amounts of money and taking on debt. Conceptually, this is true; in practice, the financial risk is minimal. NFL ratings continue to soar, delivering a reliable audience in an otherwise fragmented media era.
Not coincidentally, franchise values also continue to rise. Located in a city of just 102,000 people, the Packers have an estimated worth of $1 billion.
Got to wonder if there's some sort of franchise bubble.
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Got to wonder if there's some sort of franchise bubble.
Funny thing about those financial bubbles - they are far easier to see in hindsight.

The ongoing NFL-NFLPA dispute is simple really. The owners overspent on unnecessary stadiums, and now they want the players to work more for less pay to help pay down the debt. That's your entire labor dispute in one sentence.

The NFL produces three things: stadium debt, intellectual property, and bureaucracy. None of these things should be confused with "free market" values. The league is a prime example of what happens when you mix politically influential egos with easy credit and a media environment that largely promotes economic ignorance. You have the perfect boom business.

But the networks face their own economic challenges, and unless you can guarantee that Fox, ESPN, CBS, et al., will be stronger in the future than they are now, then you can't say with any confidence the NFL will survive and thrive indefinitely. The league is built on consumption, and when you adopt that model, eventually you'll eat yourself out of your $1.3 billion house and home.

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Filed to NFL.com: Confirming that International Investment Bank has been retained by the NFLPA to review any financials released by NFL.

Additionally, according to a source, NFL has not released any additional financial info yet. This, for the PA, is to be ready for that. ...

... And on top of that, an auditor who the union has used for years arrived at the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service at 3 p.m.
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One would hope that this means that the NFL and PA have agreed on some way of "opening the books"
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or not:

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Even if I agreed with the players about the books, which I don't, I see a lot of "attitude" in this quote that irritates me.

I still can't for the life of me understand why they can't reach an agreement along these lines:
The PA gives the owners a list 10 teams that they'd like to see the books of. The owners select 5 of those and redact personal information so the books aren't team specific, and then give those books to PA's auditing firm.

There just has to be a way to get around both sides fears...
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Can't help but think the owners are hiding something with this selective view of the financials. If you "need" a bigger piece of the pie, just open the books and prove it. The numbers don't lie. Why is that so hard to understand?

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