Warpath  

Home | Forums | Salary Cap Info | Shop | Donate | Stay Connected




Go Back   Warpath > Redskins Forums > Redskins Locker Room


Ongoing CBA discussions

Redskins Locker Room


View Poll Results: Who do you blame for the CBA mess?
Owners 24 26.67%
Players 24 26.67%
Both 42 46.67%
Voters: 90. You may not vote on this poll

Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-31-2011, 10:26 AM   #1
MVP
 
CRedskinsRule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Pasadena, Md
Age: 47
Posts: 12,385
Ongoing CBA discussions

With just over a month to go before the CBA expires, I am sure February will be filled with lots of CBA rumors, discussions, posturing, threats, and every now and then some actual facts. One source that I think highly of, mainly for his insight and clarity, is Andrew Brandt. He is on every Wednesday morning at 630 with Ross Tucker on Sirius NFL radio, and presents good information. Here is a link to part 6 of his Labor series. Sets a pretty realistic, but positive tone for what we all hope will be an extension of NFL labor peace.

NFL Labor pains, part six | National Football Post
__________________
Dirtbag59, sending songs to oblivion 1 writer at a time.
CRedskinsRule is offline  

Advertisements
Old 01-31-2011, 11:49 AM   #2
The Starter
 
sandtrapjack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,593
Re: Ongoing CBA discussions

Good thread, thanks for the article link. Good info there.
sandtrapjack is offline  
Old 01-31-2011, 12:44 PM   #3
Playmaker
 
freddyg12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 4,540
Re: Ongoing CBA discussions

Thanks for posting this, good read. Only a month & change away, I can't see it getting done by then but what matters is if it's done by the draft, if not, is it done by training camp and so on.

Very disappointed that he thinks the players will go for the 18 games in return for other concessions. I really think the 18 game season will be produce noticeable change to the nfl in the long run, none of it positive either.
freddyg12 is offline  
Old 01-31-2011, 12:56 PM   #4
MVP
 
CRedskinsRule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Pasadena, Md
Age: 47
Posts: 12,385
Re: Ongoing CBA discussions

NFLPA has ad rejected from CBS:
The Early Lead - NFLPA says its 'Let us play' ad was rejected by CBS College Sports Network

Here is the ad:
(nevermind couldn't get the YT link to work)
The ad itself seemed fairly useless to me, not sure it would sway many people's views, but I can't see them not being allowed to air it.
__________________
Dirtbag59, sending songs to oblivion 1 writer at a time.
CRedskinsRule is offline  
Old 02-01-2011, 12:57 PM   #5
Playmaker
 
freddyg12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 4,540
Re: Ongoing CBA discussions

Nice try nflpa, but CBS wasn't about to piss off it's clients!

In other news, Peter King said yesterday that he thinks the 18 game season is a done deal, as others have. He also said he thinks the 2011 season will be shortened by the negotiations as the nfl is a "deadline league" in that deals have always been struck at the last minute. He thinks one won't get done till the time preseason would be underway.
freddyg12 is offline  
Old 02-01-2011, 01:30 PM   #6
Living Legend
 
Ruhskins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 15,755
Re: Ongoing CBA discussions

Quote:
Originally Posted by freddyg12 View Post
Nice try nflpa, but CBS wasn't about to piss off it's clients!

In other news, Peter King said yesterday that he thinks the 18 game season is a done deal, as others have. He also said he thinks the 2011 season will be shortened by the negotiations as the nfl is a "deadline league" in that deals have always been struck at the last minute. He thinks one won't get done till the time preseason would be underway.
Ugh, this is what pisses me off. The league is so set in having their 18 games, yet they haven't secured in actually having a season next year.
__________________
R.I.P. #21

New words created on The Warpath:
Rewalsr - Somretimes - Fualt - Jersesy - Itiot - Composetory
Afeard - Storgn - Empliment - Gaissn - Saftys - Minnisota
Faviort - Hatter - Phsyched - Foof - Heloing - Brutual
Stroried

"Give an opinion and move on. Your life doesn't depend on winning the internet." -FRPLG
Ruhskins is offline  
Old 02-01-2011, 01:48 PM   #7
Special Teams
 
Mc2guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Burke, VA
Age: 37
Posts: 287
Re: Ongoing CBA discussions

The league to trying to implement an integrative bargaining tactic. The only way to give the players more money, is to increase the size of the pie, which 18 games does. If you stick with a 16 game schedule, there won't be any more revenue to split with the players, and the owners know that the players won't accept a deal for less money than they receive now.

From what I have seen, the players have elected a distributive bargainer in DeMaurice Smith... he views everything in win or lose, yours or mine, for every gain there is an equal loss... basically he sees the pie as fixed, and that his job is to secure as much as possible of it from the owners. Bad move. The owners, with no contract starting on 3/3, can, following a lock out, declare an "impasse" and force players to either work under 2010 negotiated labor rules, or strike. If players strike, the League has already won since public perception is ALWAYS against a strike and fans would quickly turn on the players.

18 games is almost a required outcome if a new deal is to be struck this year.
Mc2guy is offline  
Old 02-02-2011, 03:58 PM   #8
Playmaker
 
Longtimefan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Germantown, Md.
Posts: 4,832
Re: Ongoing CBA discussions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mc2guy View Post
The league to trying to implement an integrative bargaining tactic. The only way to give the players more money, is to increase the size of the pie, which 18 games does. If you stick with a 16 game schedule, there won't be any more revenue to split with the players, and the owners know that the players won't accept a deal for less money than they receive now.

From what I have seen, the players have elected a distributive bargainer in DeMaurice Smith... he views everything in win or lose, yours or mine, for every gain there is an equal loss... basically he sees the pie as fixed, and that his job is to secure as much as possible of it from the owners. Bad move. The owners, with no contract starting on 3/3, can, following a lock out, declare an "impasse" and force players to either work under 2010 negotiated labor rules, or strike. If players strike, the League has already won since public perception is ALWAYS against a strike and fans would quickly turn on the players.

18 games is almost a required outcome if a new deal is to be struck this year.
Originally Posted by Wikipedia

A bargaining impasse occurs when the two sides negotiating an agreement are unable to reach an agreement and become deadlocked. An Impasse is almost invariably mutually harmful, either as a result of direct action which may be taken such as a strike in employment negotiation or sanctions/military action in international relations, or simply due to the resulting delay in negotiating a mutually beneficial agreement.

Since negotiations have not yet reached the point of no return, a very small window of time remains to consummate an agreement, unlikely though it may be.

There remains several issues proving stumbling blocks that will most surely result in an impasse if both sides remain as steadfast in their convictions as they've shown thus far, none more revealing than the issue of revenue sharing. The owners are emphatic about a change in that area, the players are less sympathetic and "that" I'm afraid is where the line will ultimately be drawn. A final take it or leave it offer will be made to the players, and fans fear the players will choose accept the latter.

Here is a simplistic view from Joe Gibbs, coupled with a boost to the ego of Dan Snyder from Ross Tucker.

D.C. Sports Bog - Joe Gibbs on the Redskins and labor strife
__________________
A revolution is coming and it will be televised.
Longtimefan is offline  
Old 02-02-2011, 09:53 PM   #9
Playmaker
 
sportscurmudgeon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,159
Re: Ongoing CBA discussions

No offense to Tucker or to Dan Steinberg here, but this was the point where I got off the wagon:

"Tucker then chimed in, thanking Gibbs for his comments on Snyder and saying that other owners around the league let the bottom line cloud their football decisions, unlike Snyder."
Dan Snyder is not focused on the bottom line? He has not let the bottom line cloud his decisions in the last decade?


Please...


Danny Boy - - as an NFL onwer - - is driven by his ego and his desire to make money hand over fist. Denying that makes everything else one might say of questionable validity...
__________________
The Sports Curmudgeon
www.sportscurmudgeon.com
But don't get me wrong, I love sports...
sportscurmudgeon is offline  
Old 02-02-2011, 10:04 PM   #10
Playmaker
 
sportscurmudgeon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,159
Re: Ongoing CBA discussions

On the very good chance that there will not be a new CBA by early March 2011, there are 3 possibilities:


1. The owners and players can agree to extend the current CBA and continue negotiating. That is unlikely since the owners acted to shorten the agreement in the first place bringing on this round of CBA negotiations. It is possible but not likely...

2. The owners can make a "last, best and final offer" to the players which the players would refuse and the owners can then implement them going forward pending a variety of legal hearings/trials/arbitrations down the line. The problem with that course is that it puts the players in the driver's seat. They can play until Thanksgiving under the new "owners' rules" and then go on strike killing off the end of the season and the playoffs and the Super Bowl. The owners are unlikely to put that kind of power in the hands of the NFLPA.

3. The owners can lockout the players. That leaves the NFLPA with the route of decertifying and suing the NFL on anti-trust grounds. They might win that suit but winning the suit does NOT force the owners to restart a pro football schedule. It might be a Pyrrhic victory for lots of players...


Absent a new CBA, there really aren't a whole lot of other scenarios here that do not require the intervention of the Tooth Fairy. If there is no CBA, the owners are almost forced into a "lockout" strategy because Option 1 weakens their argument that the current deal is economically burdensome for them and Option 2 hands the NFLPA a loaded gun to put to the heads of the owners.

When it happens, it might help a bit if we all understood that it was inevitable once the owners chose to shorten the current CBA...
__________________
The Sports Curmudgeon
www.sportscurmudgeon.com
But don't get me wrong, I love sports...
sportscurmudgeon is offline  
Old 02-03-2011, 12:58 PM   #11
Naega jeil jal naga
 
Dirtbag59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland
Age: 28
Posts: 14,447
Re: Ongoing CBA discussions

Goodell LIED TO ME!!!!@@*&#(@&#*(@&( MotHeR F&#*(*R!!!!! HE ASSured M3 DaT FUns weRe eXXXXXcited bout 18 game Season. Yet smart pe0ple R tell me dat 27% eQUAlz N0T Guud!
AP poll: Lukewarm support for 18-game season - ESPN

Quote:
An Associated Press-Knowledge Networks poll released Thursday shows only lukewarm backing at best for a switch from 16 to 18 regular-season games, one of the NFL's key -- and easiest-to-understand -- proposals in its labor negotiations with the players' union.

Of everyone surveyed, 27 percent strongly favor or somewhat favor adding two regular-season games and dropping two preseason games. When the group is narrowed to those identifying themselves as NFL fans, support for the change rises to a total of 45 percent -- yet only 18 percent who strongly favor it.
__________________
"Hey baby, wake up from your a sleep." -Zlad

"I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now."
- FRPLG
Dirtbag59 is offline  
Old 02-03-2011, 01:38 PM   #12
Playmaker
 
mlmpetert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Richmond
Posts: 3,257
Re: Ongoing CBA discussions

One thing that has been great about the Steelers being in the Superbowl is their against the gain style gets a lot of air time. I think James Harrison is now my favorite non-Redskin and I agree with him and the whole Steelers organization on a lot of stuff. I am against a 18 game season, like Dan Rooney and almost all the players and im also against the crackdown on hard hits James Harrison and a lot of the players. Hopefully having very well respected players and ownership/management that are also very vocal will help solve some of these problems in the new CBA.

James Harrison fires away on 18-game season, fines, penalties | ProFootballTalk

Also I wouldn’t say im anti-Steelers guy but im definitely not a pro stealers guy, im just pretty neutral towards them as a team to roote for or against.
mlmpetert is offline  
Old 02-03-2011, 01:39 PM   #13
Playmaker
 
freddyg12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 4,540
Re: Ongoing CBA discussions

An 18 game season is the NFL equivalent of a tax hike. When governments can't come to consensus on programs or budgets to cut, the easiest way to balance the books is to increase taxes. I see the 18 game schedule in the same way, it is the easiest 'out' for both sides, while the fans will be paying for it.

I know part of the logic is reducing the preseason, but that is such a bogus argument. Starters usually don't play anymore than 6 quarters in preseason as it is. Preseason games are largely about evaluating new players. You take those games away, coaches will still have to evaluate those guys, whether that's in full contact scrimmages w/other teams or practice. Preseason games don't cause injuries, playing football does.
freddyg12 is offline  
Old 02-03-2011, 01:52 PM   #14
Naega jeil jal naga
 
Dirtbag59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland
Age: 28
Posts: 14,447
Re: Ongoing CBA discussions

Quote:
Originally Posted by freddyg12 View Post
An 18 game season is the NFL equivalent of a tax hike. When governments can't come to consensus on programs or budgets to cut, the easiest way to balance the books is to increase taxes. I see the 18 game schedule in the same way, it is the easiest 'out' for both sides, while the fans will be paying for it.

I know part of the logic is reducing the preseason, but that is such a bogus argument. Starters usually don't play anymore than 6 quarters in preseason as it is. Preseason games are largely about evaluating new players. You take those games away, coaches will still have to evaluate those guys, whether that's in full contact scrimmages w/other teams or practice. Preseason games don't cause injuries, playing football does.
Plus in those 6 Quarters of football the starters are playing at a level that I would describe as self-preservation. The difference in intensity between the pre-season and regular season is laughable. If I had to quantify it I would say that 1 quarter of regular season football equals 4 quarters of preseason football.

Speaking of which, remember when Haynesworth played every snap against the Cards in the final preseason game? Good times.
__________________
"Hey baby, wake up from your a sleep." -Zlad

"I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now."
- FRPLG
Dirtbag59 is offline  
Old 02-03-2011, 02:52 PM   #15
Mann Up HOF!
 
Lotus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hattiesburg, MS
Posts: 10,443
Re: Ongoing CBA discussions

Quote:
Originally Posted by freddyg12 View Post
An 18 game season is the NFL equivalent of a tax hike. When governments can't come to consensus on programs or budgets to cut, the easiest way to balance the books is to increase taxes. I see the 18 game schedule in the same way, it is the easiest 'out' for both sides, while the fans will be paying for it.

I know part of the logic is reducing the preseason, but that is such a bogus argument. Starters usually don't play anymore than 6 quarters in preseason as it is. Preseason games are largely about evaluating new players. You take those games away, coaches will still have to evaluate those guys, whether that's in full contact scrimmages w/other teams or practice. Preseason games don't cause injuries, playing football does.
Yes. There is no law that the league must play 20 games. If they wanted to reduce the preseason, they could cut preseason games to 2 and still keep the 16 games schedule.
__________________
Rooting for the Dallas Cowboys should be recognized as a treatable mental disorder.
Lotus is offline  
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:39 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site is not officially affiliated with the Washington Redskins or the NFL.
Page generated in 0.59683 seconds with 10 queries

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25