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Old 02-02-2011, 07:55 AM   #1
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Snyder Camp Upset!!

This article published by the DC City Paper last November obviously hasn't gone over well with the Snyder camp.

The Cranky Redskins Fan's Guide to Dan Snyder - Washington City Paper

Snyder wants to see the author removed.

Redskins owner Dan Snyder seeks dismissal of City Paper writer

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Old 02-02-2011, 08:26 AM   #2
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Well, sure it seems bad when you lump it all together like that...
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There are plenty of half-truths and lies in McKenna's article but Snyder would have been better off just letting it pass. When it comes to the Redskins, particularly Snyder, fans don't really care so much about much else but why aren't they winning.
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Re: Snyder Camp Upset!!

I, like some others, feel like Snyder has done his part this season to try and change the culture and change his image.

BUT, it's not going to be overnight. He has been pretty much a dickhead for his entire time of ownership, went out of his way to alienate fans with the horrible censorship in 2008, and has basically given himself a horrible reputation. Those kind of changes will take time for people to soak it in.

I have my doubts too about Snyder, but i really think he is intent on changing for the good. But i do worry if he will go back to his old ways if this season is a dissappointment again...Firing coaches, etc, crazy player signings....etc.
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Old 02-02-2011, 08:51 AM   #5
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There are plenty of half-truths and lies in McKenna's article but Snyder would have been better off just letting it pass. When it comes to the Redskins, particularly Snyder, fans don't really care so much about much else but why aren't they winning.
That could also explain why the Snyder people are so upset. Some people get confused between the projected Snyder image, and the real one which has never really been known. The article was published a few days after the infamous Chad Dukes rant on 10.7 the fan.

Chad Dukes Rant On the Redskins 59-28 Loss 106.7 The Fan – DC Sportsradio
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Old 02-02-2011, 08:52 AM   #6
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I look at it like this, Snyder has had to learn how it is to be an owner of an NFL franchise. It's taken him years to finally start "trying" the right things to turn the team around.

I honestly believe in my heart that I saw a change in Snyder when Gibbs came back. Somehow, I think it took having a guy like Gibbs, someone that Daniel Snyder admired and respected, to get him to realize that he needed the right guys around him to make this team successful. Of course, the proof is still yet to be decided if that's true, but I think this is a different Daniel Snyder than the young rich CEO who had taken over the team in the late 90's.
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:14 AM   #7
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I look at it like this, Snyder has had to learn how it is to be an owner of an NFL franchise. It's taken him years to finally start "trying" the right things to turn the team around.

I honestly believe in my heart that I saw a change in Snyder when Gibbs came back. Somehow, I think it took having a guy like Gibbs, someone that Daniel Snyder admired and respected, to get him to realize that he needed the right guys around him to make this team successful. Of course, the proof is still yet to be decided if that's true, but I think this is a different Daniel Snyder than the young rich CEO who had taken over the team in the late 90's.
I don't know, SG . . . I think Snyder's body of work in the few years immediately following, and perhaps even during, the Gibbs II era showed that he hadn't quite "gotten it" yet.

With regard to the article, there was no news broken by it; it was a deliberate hatchet job, pure and simple. The City Paper has run a number of truly informative cover stories over the years, and this wasn't one of them. That being said, I'm actually curious to see, if a lawsuit is in fact filed, exactly what was inaccurate within the story. There can't be any doubt that a lot of what was in this story is true, and I imagine it was the inventorying of those actually-true things in one place that probably upset Snyder as much as the inclusion of anything that was less than accurate. The simple fact is that he's made himself an easy target, whether he likes it or not. And yes, winning would take the heat off of him, but he's had a primary role in obstructing winning since he's been here.
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I look at it like this, Snyder has had to learn how it is to be an owner of an NFL franchise. It's taken him years to finally start "trying" the right things to turn the team around.

I honestly believe in my heart that I saw a change in Snyder when Gibbs came back. Somehow, I think it took having a guy like Gibbs, someone that Daniel Snyder admired and respected, to get him to realize that he needed the right guys around him to make this team successful. Of course, the proof is still yet to be decided if that's true, but I think this is a different Daniel Snyder than the young rich CEO who had taken over the team in the late 90's.
I would hope that 10 years of constantly losing while giving outrageous sums of money to undeserving 'players' would inspire more than a 'difference'.
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I would hope that 10 years of constantly losing while giving outrageous sums of money to undeserving 'players' would inspire more than a 'difference'.
But how much of that has happened recently, save for Albert Hanesworth (Cerrato), we can't really go by that argument anymore.
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[quote] I honestly believe in my heart that I saw a change in Snyder when Gibbs came back. Somehow, I think it took having a guy like Gibbs, someone that Daniel Snyder admired and respected, to get him to realize that he needed the right guys around him to make this team successful. Of course, the proof is still yet to be decided if that's true, but I think this is a different Daniel Snyder than the young rich CEO who had taken over the team in the late 90's.

This is what fans were both saying and experiencing just two years ago. Also from the City Paper. I witnessed a fan having to trash one of the plates the author describes.

Why Dan Snyder is checking Redskins fans for seditious materials. - Washington City Paper
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There are plenty of half-truths and lies in McKenna's article but Snyder would have been better off just letting it pass. When it comes to the Redskins, particularly Snyder, fans don't really care so much about much else but why aren't they winning.
I would say your statement is correct if applied ONLY to fans that watch on tv. That can't be said for people that are paying to go to games. What can't be denied by DS is that this article points out the chronology of his moves to make $. Nothing wrong w/making $, but from charging to watch practice to suing ticketholders, he's created an image problem for himself that exacerbates the fans anger & disappointment they feel from losing all these years. Snyder IMO is in jeopardy of losing a LOT more ticket holders in the next couple years if things don't change. He may lose a lot even if things change.
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I honestly believe in my heart that I saw a change in Snyder when Gibbs came back. Somehow, I think it took having a guy like Gibbs, someone that Daniel Snyder admired and respected, to get him to realize that he needed the right guys around him to make this team successful. Of course, the proof is still yet to be decided if that's true, but I think this is a different Daniel Snyder than the young rich CEO who had taken over the team in the late 90's.

This is what fans were both saying and experiencing just two years ago. Also from the City Paper. I witnessed a fan having to trash one of the plates the author describes.

Why Dan Snyder is checking Redskins fans for seditious materials. - Washington City Paper

And, what has Snyder done since then? Gotten rid of Vinny Cerrato, hired a football guy as GM (Bruce Allen), hired a Super Bowl winning Coach in Mike Shanahan, and has let them do whatever they think they can do to turn the team around. Hey, I'm not necessarily taking up for the guy, I'm just saying that I think fans needs to step back and look at everything, not just the wrong.
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I would say your statement is correct if applied ONLY to fans that watch on tv. That can't be said for people that are paying to go to games. What can't be denied by DS is that this article points out the chronology of his moves to make $. Nothing wrong w/making $, but from charging to watch practice to suing ticketholders, he's created an image problem for himself that exacerbates the fans anger & disappointment they feel from losing all these years. Snyder IMO is in jeopardy of losing a LOT more ticket holders in the next couple years if things don't change. He may lose a lot even if things change.
You know, I'd like to believe that, but something tells me whoever he loses in regards to season ticket-holders would be replaced by others wanting season tickets. Even if half of those fans don't show up (because of a losing season) I'm sure he's still making his green.

The only way to run Snyder out of town would be doing what this article and what the fans (wearing the anti-Dan shirts) are doing in order to hurt his reputation. But apparently it hasn't had much affect on the guy. So, to me, it's pretty much just futile attempts to get him to sell the team. I just think none of that stuff is going to work.
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Quality off-season thread.


Really, Mr. Snyder should just ignore the childish idiots who wrote the article, especially the "illustrator".

But, I do see him having a reason to feel disrespected, because he was.

You could compile a list of "failings" for EVERY NFL owner if you go in with a bias against/hatred for the person. There are a lot of lies/mistakes in that piece of crap, I mean work.

I don't doubt there's a huge waiting list for season tickets. Nepotism...that happens EVERY WHERE in the league. I think there are a lot of statements in there based on rumors and hearsay also.


But, the media as a whole is a toilet these days, so we shouldn't be shocked a steaming pile like this would be approved for release, but I do think he's justified in being angry about it. However, that's likely what they were looking for, because they'll get attention they can't get on their abilities and (lack of) talents. Dare we say, they were trolling?


Sure, there's a lot to bash him for and he's made some HORRIBLE mistakes over the last decade, but if you've been watching him with a fair mind, he has learned a lot and really changed how he runs things. In most businesses, the owner needs to have control over every aspect of the business. The NFL is a business, but the football decisions need to be made by personnel with football experience rather than the owner, who like Snyder, is more often a businessman instead of a football genius. Many owners take time to, or never learn to delegate the football decisions. (Jerry Jones, Al Davis, Bud Adams...)

Dan Snyder seems to have finally learned that he's not the best person to make these on-field calls and in the last year especially, he's proven that. Vinny is gone and the GM and coach are now calling the shots, as they should be.
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And, what has Snyder done since then? Gotten rid of Vinny Cerrato, hired a football guy as GM (Bruce Allen), hired a Super Bowl winning Coach in Mike Shanahan, and has let them do whatever they think they can do to turn the team around. Hey, I'm not necessarily taking up for the guy, I'm just saying that I think fans needs to step back and look at everything, not just the wrong.
Like other business "gurus," Snyder operates the Redskins under the mistaken assumption that success is something that can be bought. As far as I can tell, the Snyder Doctrine is some bizarre concoction of liberal amounts of reactionary decision-making, a strong concentration on the short term, and a heavy supply of poorly structured incentives. His favorite answer to solving complex problems is simply to throw more money at them.

Investors who have been around the block once or twice should start to see a few problems developing here.

To me, Dan Snyder is precisely the type of guy Benjamin Graham had in mind when he said "Wall Street people learn nothing and forget everything."
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