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Old 12-13-2004, 07:11 PM   #31
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SC's posts are just as emotional (and at times non-sensical) as the rest of ours, only on the negative side of things.

i don't see what about Gibbs would keep players like Samuels, Gardner or even Coles if they aren't doing their jobs as he expects them to. Ramsey was a hyped Skin fan favorite and the FIRST thing Gibbs did was sit his ass down cuz he thought it was best for the team. even if Brunell was a bust, Gibbs never drank the same kool-aid we do.
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Old 12-13-2004, 07:14 PM   #32
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You may think my posts are nonsensical; that is your prerogative.

I can assure you, however, that they are not emotional. They are based on what I see on the field of play and not what I wish I would see on the field of play.
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Old 12-13-2004, 07:16 PM   #33
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The same koolaid that may have prevented death instead of accelerating it? Brunell was horrible, and very few people on this board want him. In this day and age you can't just cut everyone. Our salary cap could turn into more hell than it already is if we just cut everyone.

Sc's posts are well thought out and backed up with plenty of good facts. I know people hate to hear people say anything somewhat negative about Gibbs, but so far this season, he deserves it. Gibbs is his own hardest critic, so anything we say isn't something he hasn't told himself. That being said, I think he'll turn it around and he has three years to show improvement, implement his system, and get the players he needs. Does that mean he can't be criticized in the process? Absolutely not!
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Old 12-13-2004, 07:23 PM   #34
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One thing I've always wondered SC, when you watch a Redskins game do you go into it thinking "I'm going to find things wrong with the team and that's all I'm going to look for"

Because, and it's probably just me, but that's the impression I get sometimes.....so longer as they cover the spread right?
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Old 12-13-2004, 07:23 PM   #35
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ok dude just lists off about everyone position as needing improvement. i'm sure a buncha of teams would like improvement everywhere all the time. now, a good coaching staff is going to make the best of its players as there is not unlimited money, and no matter who you bring in it takes time to develop them. 16 games is it for a season. us skins fans of all ppl should know the problems with constant offseason changes. the position we're in, especially if we finish 7-9 isn't all that bad. our biggest acquisition in the offseason should be continuity, no sending some lame msg by wanting us to lose to MIN.

ive been doggin gibbs all yr, keeping in mind the whole time that he will get it in gear. if we finished 7-9, thats about what we expected, and we've only lost a few games badly. a strong finish puts us in gear for next yr. let's get some chemistry for once and stop being idiots.
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Old 12-13-2004, 07:26 PM   #36
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Sc's posts are well thought out and backed up with plenty of good facts.
With all due respect, the posts may be well thought but he doesn't exactly pepper us with facts. More often than not you'll see something along the lines "I'm too lazy to look it up but I would guess..."
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Old 12-13-2004, 07:26 PM   #37
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If we finish 7-9 this year, that's still an improvement over last year. Not that we should be happy about it, but at least it's going in the right direction.
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Old 12-13-2004, 07:33 PM   #38
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whoa whoa. this isn't a pro-Gibbs thread, in fact most here blame Gibbs not Ramsey for that 4th quarter INT cuz of the playcall. and who here thinks Brunell was a good idea?

i'm just proving that Gibbs never fell for the hype SC blames all of us of perpetuating.

i think its reverse Kool-Aid to completely dismiss the fact our defense was no.2 in this league WITH all of the injuries, as is denying any offensive improvement since Ramsey has come in. empirically, to judge a team solely by it's record doesn't make sense, there are too many variables, and thats precisely why the team with the best record doesn't automatically win the superbowl.
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Old 12-13-2004, 07:43 PM   #39
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I Have To Say, Since I've Been A Member Here, That Is The Worst Post I've Read From Sc. He's Always Mr. Negative But Damn , That Was Pethetic. Sc, If You Don't See The Difference In This Years Skins Team As Opposed To The Last 5-6 Years Then Your Either Completely Blind Or Just Not A Skins Fan. This Has Nothing To Do With Wins And Losses And All To Do With Heart And Wanting To Play Hard For Your Coach, Your Fans, Your City And Yourselvs. I Never Expected Gibbs To Make The Skins Superbowl Champs In 13 Games But I Do Expect Him To Turn Them Into A Very Competetive Team That Plays Hard Week In And Week Out. The Skins Are Getting There. I Can See It And I Know Others Do Too.
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Old 12-13-2004, 07:44 PM   #40
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I start each game looking for positive outcomes. In the past three or four years, those things tend to be very rare and the negatives tend to be very common. So I get "upset" with the negative things and wonder why they have not yet been elimimated.

I do not wager on every game. Part of being successful in gambling is picking and choosing your spots. Obviously, when I do make a wager, I greatly prefer to win as opposed to lose. I doubt that makes me significantly different from anyone else here.

When I say I'm too lazy to go look something up, that merely means I am not going to make up some BS and toss it out there as if it meant something. If I were ever waaay off on one of those guesstimates, I feel certain that half a dozen folks here would be eager get the real numbers and let me know how dumb I am. For example, earlier today I said that I THOUGHT that Ramsey had not won 10 games that he had started and that however many games he had won, he had probably lost twice as many. If I am way off on those assertions, I expect to be corrected - and not particularly politely either.

As for the devotees of "continuity" from this year to next, let me remind you that if you had held to that position last year, our DL this year would have Lionel Daulton and Darryl Russell playing DT. Remember last year when the DL could not stop anybody?

What happened was that they got rid of just about EVERYBODY (save Wynn and Haley who hasn't played much at all) and signed ONE free agent and then got a bunch of guys who hustle and do what the coaches tell them to do. BIG IMPROVEMENT. But that improvement came by blowing up the DL because it sucked wind last year. Don't be too afraid to look objectively at other parts of this team and think the same thing because it can be REALLY beneficial. I'd put the Wide Receiver corps under a microscope just to see if there might be a huge improvement to be made by saving only one of that batch...
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Old 12-13-2004, 07:44 PM   #41
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yeah our ROOKIE Sean Taylor is playing piss poor, how'd he get to start?? we should leave Bowen in..oh wait he's hurt..so Lott, no wait he's hurt too.....

and Marshall, Harris, Clark, Clemons, Pierce, Griffin, Salevea, Warner, Springs, Smoot... can you believe we PAY these overhyped guys??? only no.2 in the league?

my SarCasm doesn't make their effort any less real.
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Old 12-13-2004, 07:47 PM   #42
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I start each game looking for positive outcomes. In the past three or four years, those things tend to be very rare and the negatives tend to be very common. So I get "upset" with the negative things and wonder why they have not yet been elimimated.
we get "upset" at the bad things too SC. it's called emotion. only we also get happy at the good things. cuz they ARE there.
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Old 12-13-2004, 07:52 PM   #43
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What happened was that they got rid of just about EVERYBODY (save Wynn and Haley who hasn't played much at all) and signed ONE free agent and then got a bunch of guys who hustle and do what the coaches tell them to do. BIG IMPROVEMENT.
improvement?? c'mon SC
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Old 12-13-2004, 09:02 PM   #44
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I strongly believe that the reason for the big improvement on the D-line has to do with the system. Gregg Williams is one hell of a coach.

SC, if I may make an observation, I think many of your posts are well reasoned, based in fact, and not overly emotional. However, I do tend to think that you may look at the team with the "glass is half empty" mentality.

Coles is a beast. The guy plays with a dislocated finger (after popping it back in) and drops a few passes and all of the sudden he needs to be replaced? If you don't like Coles, then I think you may be setting your standards just a tad bit too high. Coles fights for EVERY yard, doesn't complain, isn't afraid to go over the middle, isn't scared to get hit, catches almost every catchable ball (that is when he isn't missing a digit), and is just a smart, tough, and classy guy.

As to Ramsey's presence not doing much of anything for our team, I think you may be a little too critical. First off, since he's started we've played Philly twice, Pittsburgh once, and the New York Giants once. Philly has the second best scoring defense in the league and is rapidly rising in all other statistical defensive categories (since Trotter is back at MLB). Ramsey played pretty well against Philly on both occasions. Why then the lack of points -- the playcalling (we went from hyper agressive Spurrier to almost unconsciously passive Gibbs). Pittsburgh is the BEST defense in the league and we hung in there with them too for awhile. We SPANKED the G-men. If you don't think Ramsey has brought something to our offense, perhaps you didn't see the 9 or so games Brunell led us in.

Anyways, that's my two cents.
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When I say I'm too lazy to go look something up, that merely means I am not going to make up some BS and toss it out there as if it meant something. If I were ever waaay off on one of those guesstimates, I feel certain that half a dozen folks here would be eager get the real numbers and let me know how dumb I am. For example, earlier today I said that I THOUGHT that Ramsey had not won 10 games that he had started and that however many games he had won, he had probably lost twice as many. If I am way off on those assertions, I expect to be corrected - and not particularly politely either.
To answer your question, I believe Ramsey is 7-11 as a starter.

I could be wrong, but that's pretty close by my calculations.
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