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Old 02-09-2011, 10:15 AM   #16
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Well Darth Hoody and the Patriots have the ammo to move up if they want.
Unless Hoody sees a player he really likes in the first round (Jerod Mayo for example), he typically trades down and stockpiles late 1st and 2nd round picks, which are usually productive players at a cap-friendly price. I wish that we worked the draft the way NE and Philly do.
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Old 02-13-2011, 01:15 AM   #17
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Thats bcuz of dumb ass VC/DS now MS/BA are running things lets hope they change it
You mean like trading for McNabb and giving up a 2nd and 4th rd picks to the Eagles for a QB that Shanny does not want any more. So now what can we recoop any picks or pick for McNabb this year? If we dont what a waste of 2 picks for us.
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Old 04-13-2011, 11:12 PM   #18
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Redskins’ NFL draft rumor du jour features Broncos - The Early Lead - The Washington Post
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Old 04-13-2011, 11:17 PM   #19
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Well, as I said earlier in this thread Broncos rumors are tied as much to them looking to save some money as anything else. End of the day I think they stay at #2. And yes, MS does like Gabbert (or Kyle really does, I forget which one), but they're not trading up for anyone. I mean never say never, but I'd be totally stunned. If anything they'll trade up from the top of round 2
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Old 04-13-2011, 11:33 PM   #20
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No way this trade happens. We don't have enough picks to move up 8 spots, and we can t afford losing a 2nd rd pick for Gabbert
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Old 04-14-2011, 05:31 AM   #21
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Lets swap picks, send them Fat Albert, take Gabby done and done.
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Old 04-14-2011, 07:16 AM   #22
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I don't think I'd go get Fairley to play DE in a 3-4. If we were in a 4-3 then yes, I'd get him as a 3-tech, but in a 3-4 I think he'll be less effective.
SS33, who do you think is a pick at ten best fit to play DE in our scheme?
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Old 04-14-2011, 10:20 AM   #23
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I honestly don't see the Skins throwing their only top two picks just to move up for one spot. They really need to, if anything at all, trade out of the #10 spot to pick up more draft picks themselves.
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Old 04-14-2011, 10:23 AM   #24
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This seems like a difficult year to trade back, especially in the top 5. The uncertianty w/the cba/lack thereof makes it hard to determine just how much teams will have to pay these picks. I think we're in a much better spot to trade back than Denver.
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Old 04-14-2011, 10:32 AM   #25
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Lets swap picks, send them Fat Albert, take Gabby done and done.
If Fat Ass needed the O2 tank at least once a game here while playing at around sea level, could you imagine what he'd be like playing 8 games at Mile High?
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Old 04-14-2011, 11:00 AM   #26
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It would cost them 1300 points in addition to their 10th pick this year to move up to #2 for Gabbert. It's a steep price to pay but as i have said time and again on here if it solves the 20 year QB problem it's a price worth paying. Franchise QB trumps all other needs. If Shanny views Gabbert as the QB that he wants to build around then GO GET HIM.

Look at it this way...would you trade Orakpo & T Williams for Sam Bradford? I love those 2 players but I would do that in a second. QB is the hardest hole to fill and you are not even in the game until you have one...
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Lets swap picks, send them Fat Albert, take Gabby done and done.
I think it would be more plausible to trade up with denver in the 2nd round giving them Haynesworth and our second round pick for their second round pick. Puts AH back in a 4-3 in the AFC West, far away from Washington.
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I think it would be more plausible to trade up with denver in the 2nd round giving them Haynesworth and our second round pick for their second round pick. Puts AH back in a 4-3 in the AFC West, far away from Washington.
We can't trade fatty or anyone else without a new CBA.
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It would cost them 1300 points in addition to their 10th pick this year to move up to #2 for Gabbert. It's a steep price to pay but as i have said time and again on here if it solves the 20 year QB problem it's a price worth paying. Franchise QB trumps all other needs. If Shanny views Gabbert as the QB that he wants to build around then GO GET HIM.

Look at it this way...would you trade Orakpo & T Williams for Sam Bradford? I love those 2 players but I would do that in a second. QB is the hardest hole to fill and you are not even in the game until you have one...
Nope. Two quality players at the two most important positions after QB (the guy who protects the QB and the guy who rushes the other teams QB).

I understand and agree that QB is THE most important position and that franchise QB's are hard to find. BUT - the draft is a crapshoot at best, highly chosen QB's fail more often than they hit (No - haven't done the research on QB's taken in top 5 (recently) but believe this is true). Don't go reaching for QB's at the expense of building the supporting cast - it deprives the young QB of additional young talent and puts more pressure on him while playing the sport's most difficult position. If we were stocked everywhere BUT QB, then yes - by all means trade up. But we're not. Trading up for a QB when we have such an overall dearth of talent only sets up the highly rated QB to catastrophicallly fail.

Keep the pick or trade down. If the right QB is there, okay - take him. Then use remaining picks to help him. It's not like Gabbert is being touted as the 2nd coming of Manning or Elway. From all that I have read, he is not even rated as highly as Bradford was and, if Luck had come out, would be likely be the 2nd or 3rd rated QB.

Trading up is a luxury affordable to teams deep in talent. Otherwise, to build for the long term, cheap young talent that can be developed is what is needed. The QB issue will be resolved, first we need to build a team that allows a young QB to succeed and a good QB to thrive.
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Old 04-14-2011, 11:49 AM   #30
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You make some good points and i am sure a lot of people on here agree with you. I am just looking at it from the angle of which holes are more difficult to fill in terms of finding them and ultimately training them to play. We are already a year into the Shanny regime...we simply have to have the QB this year to start grooming him. As for the many other holes on the team...we have a cleaned out cap and eventually the biggest crop of free agents ever to choose from. We can select some young players from that group and use whatever other draft picks we have also. Basically there are a lot of other ways to build a team other then with high draft picks but you will rarely if ever find a Franchise QB that way. So if in Shannys mind he can solve the QB problem with a couple of #1 picks then he should do it.
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