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Old 04-03-2011, 05:58 PM   #16
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Re: R.I.P. Dave Duerson

Yet another player that suffered the same fate due to concussions. Sad.


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Old 02-23-2012, 05:14 PM   #17
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Dave Duerson's family sues NFL over his suicide - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

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The family of former Chicago Bears player Dave Duerson filed a wrongful-death suit against the NFL on Thursday, claiming the league didn't do enough to prevent or treat the concussions that severely damaged his brain before he killed himself last year.

The suit was filed in Chicago on behalf of Duerson's son, Tregg, and three other children. Duerson died on Feb. 17, 2011, of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest at his home in Sunny Isles Beach, Fla.

The lawsuit accuses the NFL of negligently causing the brain damage that led Duerson to take his own life at the age of 50 by not warning him of the negative effects of concussions. Attorney Thomas Demetrio, who is representing Duerson's family, said the NFL should have been a leader in educating current and former players about head injuries.

''They not only dropped the ball, they maintained until current times that there was no connection between playing football, receiving concussions and brain damage,'' Demetrio said. ''That's wrong.''

The NFL said in a statement that it had not yet seen the lawsuit.

''Dave Duerson was an outstanding football player and citizen who made so many positive contributions but unfortunately encountered serious personal challenges later in his life,'' the NFL said. ''We sympathize with the Duerson family and continue to be saddened by this tragedy.''

A native of Muncie, Ind., Duerson was a third-round draft pick by the Bears in 1983 out of Notre Dame and played 11 seasons in the NFL before retiring in 1993. He won Super Bowls with the 1985 Bears and 1990 Giants, and played in four Pro Bowls.

The lawsuit was filed less than a week after nearly a dozen former NFL players living in Louisiana sued the NFL over their own concussions.

Several former New Orleans Saints players are among the 11 ex-players named as plaintiffs in the class-action lawsuit filed Friday in federal court in New Orleans. The lawsuit says each of them has developed mental or physical problems from concussions or concussion-like symptoms. Several lawsuits blaming the NFL for concussion-related dementia and brain disease already have been consolidated in Philadelphia.

Duerson had at least 10 concussions during his NFL career, according to his family, and lost consciousness during some. He left notes for his family asking that his brain be donated to science, and researchers at the Center for the Study of Traumatic Encephalopathy at Boston University's School of Medicine concluded he had ''moderately advanced'' brain damage and CTE related to blows to the head.

The lawsuit says the damage affected his judgment, inhibition and impulse control.

The lawsuit also names helmet maker Riddell Inc., alleging that the helmets didn't adequately protect players from concussions. Messages left for a Riddell spokeswoman weren't immediately returned Thursday.
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:28 PM   #18
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And the root of the pussification of football is evident. I feel like smoking was just linked to cancer.
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Very very sad to hear the news about Brown. I hope things turn out ok for him.
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Old 02-23-2012, 09:36 PM   #20
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All this talk about the pussification of football, and so on/so forth, is disappointing. I love football as much as the next sport, but I do feel like enough hasn't been done to protect the lives of players long after they've left the game.

I know a lot of you have no sympathy for people who risk their lives to play a game and get well rewarded in the process, but a lot of these players who they talk about in the press today, the ones committing suicide, and living the rest of their lives in pain, weren't getting paid nearly as much as the guys of today are. And all they have to show for their time in football is a lot of medical bills and daily medical problems that make their lives unbearable. Have a little sympathy for the older generation here.

The NFL still has a long way to go to take care of the people who helped make the league what it is, and they also have a long way to go to improve the safety of the sport today. We can still have awesome football without sacrificing players' bodies once they've left the sport.
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All this talk about the pussification of football, and so on/so forth, is disappointing. I love football as much as the next sport, but I do feel like enough hasn't been done to protect the lives of players long after they've left the game.

I know a lot of you have no sympathy for people who risk their lives to play a game and get well rewarded in the process, but a lot of these players who they talk about in the press today, the ones committing suicide, and living the rest of their lives in pain, weren't getting paid nearly as much as the guys of today are. And all they have to show for their time in football is a lot of medical bills and daily medical problems that make their lives unbearable. Have a little sympathy for the older generation here.

The NFL still has a long way to go to take care of the people who helped make the league what it is, and they also have a long way to go to improve the safety of the sport today. We can still have awesome football without sacrificing players' bodies once they've left the sport.
How can the league can make it safer than it already is. Equipment wise? Perhaps. But they've already taken it too far with all the soft calls. It's a violent game and concussions can't be stopped. If the awareness was better back in the earlier days then perhpas some of these guys wouldn't be in the positions they're in now. I hope the league does something heath care wise for the older guys. But they can't do anything more with the on the field stuff.
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All this talk about the pussification of football, and so on/so forth, is disappointing. I love football as much as the next sport, but I do feel like enough hasn't been done to protect the lives of players long after they've left the game.

I know a lot of you have no sympathy for people who risk their lives to play a game and get well rewarded in the process, but a lot of these players who they talk about in the press today, the ones committing suicide, and living the rest of their lives in pain, weren't getting paid nearly as much as the guys of today are. And all they have to show for their time in football is a lot of medical bills and daily medical problems that make their lives unbearable. Have a little sympathy for the older generation here.

The NFL still has a long way to go to take care of the people who helped make the league what it is, and they also have a long way to go to improve the safety of the sport today. We can still have awesome football without sacrificing players' bodies once they've left the sport.
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Old 02-24-2012, 08:49 AM   #23
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Would players be willing to play fewer games in a season & have more of their $ automatically allocated to retirement & long-term health care, thus reducing overall take home pay?

The NFL isn't innocent in all this, but the players union until recently was all about getting more $. The players at one point were even open to playing 2 more games. I realize that was a bargaining tool, but the jist of it is that the players have always fought for more $ more than their safety & long-term health. Also, some of these guys need to hang it up earlier.
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Old 02-27-2012, 11:24 AM   #24
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All this talk about the pussification of football, and so on/so forth, is disappointing. I love football as much as the next sport, but I do feel like enough hasn't been done to protect the lives of players long after they've left the game.

I know a lot of you have no sympathy for people who risk their lives to play a game and get well rewarded in the process, but a lot of these players who they talk about in the press today, the ones committing suicide, and living the rest of their lives in pain, weren't getting paid nearly as much as the guys of today are. And all they have to show for their time in football is a lot of medical bills and daily medical problems that make their lives unbearable. Have a little sympathy for the older generation here.

The NFL still has a long way to go to take care of the people who helped make the league what it is, and they also have a long way to go to improve the safety of the sport today. We can still have awesome football without sacrificing players' bodies once they've left the sport.
Woah woah woah. Just because the pussification of football is happening doesnt mean that its not the right thing to do. I'm just saying I'm bummed that the rules are changing. Of course nobody should give up their livelyhood for the game, but it sucks that we're finding out just how damaging this game really is. I guess I am a little selfish because I do care more about the product deteriorating than people I do not know, but I'm not selfish enough to not be able to recognize that taking safety precautions is the right thing to do.
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:23 AM   #25
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Maybe some hope for treatment to help the players with brain injuries. At least it has helped Bernie Kosar. I hope this is real groundbreaking stuff and not some money making BS.

Concussion-scarred Bernie Kosar finds relief with ‘groundbreaking’ treatment - Top Stories - Ohio

Kosar getting 'groundbreaking' help for concussions - NFL - CBSSports.com News, Rumors, Scores, Stats, Fantasy
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:34 AM   #26
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Is there something they can do in advancing the technology of the football helmet that could lower the risk of such injuries?

Football gets more and more aggressive as the years go on and wonder if anyone is working on more advanced protect equipment.

RIP Dave Duerson.
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:42 AM   #27
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Three thoughts:

1) I hate when people say r.i.p. it's dumb, cliche, and meaningless.

2) by reading some of th comments here, it sounds like some of you have the position that the sad thing is we should have paid these older players more money before they killed themselves.

3) air traffic controllers, white male physicians, black security guards, and female artists, all have higher suicde rates than former professional athletes. Its trendy to correlate suicides with concussions, but the truth is, 11 out of every 100,000 deaths in the United States is due to suicide. Suicide is the 10th leading cause of death in this country.... Is it all because of concussions? Please. Former nfl players are at no higher risk of suicide than any one else in similar circumstances.

NFL players are people, just like you and me. People have problems. Some people can't deal and chose suicide.

This whole concussion-suicide link is a pseudo-scientific, media perpetuated delusion that exists because sane rationale people like you and me look for excuses to explain why someone would do something we can't fathom doing. It's no different than a grieving parent choosing to believe that their child died because God needed another angel in heaven. If God has the power to create the universe, he doesn't need to kill a baby to make an angel. Concussions damage your brain, but they don't alter thought patterns.

Google Dave Duerson and you'll find he had a history of personal problems and domestic abuse. In the years before his suicide, he went through a divorce and his company essentially went bankrupt. He was destitute and overwhelmed with personal problems... but that had nothing to do with his suicide. It was the concussions that did it. That's the better story anyway.
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Three thoughts:

1) I hate when people say r.i.p. it's dumb, cliche, and meaningless.

2) by reading some of th comments here, it sounds like some of you have the position that the sad thing is we should have paid these older players more money before they killed themselves.

3) air traffic controllers, white male physicians, black security guards, and female artists, all have higher suicde rates than former professional athletes. Its trendy to correlate suicides with concussions, but the truth is, 11 out of every 100,000 deaths in the United States is due to suicide. Suicide is the 10th leading cause of death in this country.... Is it all because of concussions? Please. Former nfl players are at no higher risk of suicide than any one else in similar circumstances.

NFL players are people, just like you and me. People have problems. Some people can't deal and chose suicide.

This whole concussion-suicide link is a pseudo-scientific, media perpetuated delusion that exists because sane rationale people like you and me look for excuses to explain why someone would do something we can't fathom doing. It's no different than a grieving parent choosing to believe that their child died because God needed another angel in heaven. If God has the power to create the universe, he doesn't need to kill a baby to make an angel. Concussions damage your brain, but they don't alter thought patterns.

Google Dave Duerson and you'll find he had a history of personal problems and domestic abuse. In the years before his suicide, he went through a divorce and his company essentially went bankrupt. He was destitute and overwhelmed with personal problems... but that had nothing to do with his suicide. It was the concussions that did it. That's the better story anyway.
1)RIP is a consoling phrase. It has a value to those who read/hear it and concur within there heart and soul. it may have deeper value, some certainly believe it does, but even if it serves only as a sincere expression of care and concern for one who has passed, it is a significant phrase.

2) I didn't reread the thread, but I would be shocked if the majority of posts reflected the attitude of pay them more, and be done with it.

3) I agree there are more factors in suicide, but unless you have a degree in brain medicine, I rhink it is a bit naive to say that there can't be a link. Other groups may find different increases in risks, and I am sure those are being studied to see if some thing specific could be identified. For football players, one of those things is likely head trauma. as for the troubles he was having, I don't know his life, maybe the head trauma impacted that which led him down to a hopeless point. because ultimately that is what drives a person to suicide, having more belief that his absence will do no harm than hope that his presence will do some good.
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I don't really know how to feel as on one hand I think players back then played knowing the risks, but on the other hand i do agree that more should be done to keep them safe and take care of them after their careers are over.

What gets me mad is guys coming out of the woodwork and claiming cripppling injuries that are probably just looking to get paid.

Mark Rypien comes to mind, no dis-respect intended, but there was this story a few months back where he has concussion problems so bad that bright lights make him sick, he can't drive a car, etc...he forgets where he is going, etc, etc and is suing the NFL, and then a story comes out about him hosting a celebrity golf tournament. Makes you wonder...
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1)RIP is a consoling phrase. It has a value to those who read/hear it and concur within there heart and soul. it may have deeper value, some certainly believe it does, but even if it serves only as a sincere expression of care and concern for one who has passed, it is a significant phrase.

2) I didn't reread the thread, but I would be shocked if the majority of posts reflected the attitude of pay them more, and be done with it.

3) I agree there are more factors in suicide, but unless you have a degree in brain medicine, I rhink it is a bit naive to say that there can't be a link. Other groups may find different increases in risks, and I am sure those are being studied to see if some thing specific could be identified. For football players, one of those things is likely head trauma. as for the troubles he was having, I don't know his life, maybe the head trauma impacted that which led him down to a hopeless point. because ultimately that is what drives a person to suicide, having more belief that his absence will do no harm than hope that his presence will do some good.

There is a scientifically confirmed physical medical condition called Traumatic Encephalopathy. Watch the video on this page it is very enlightening.

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