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Old 06-24-2011, 03:39 PM   #166
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Re: Where will McNabb land?

Funny thing is apparently right now the Titans and Vikings are polar opposites as far as QB's are concerned. Titans have embraced Locker and allowed him take on a leadership role. Ponder on the other hand has had a tough time getting veterans to show up for player OTA's. Not a good sign for Minnesota, a house cleaning might be in order seeing how some of their players refuse to believe that they're rebuilding or even reloading.
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Old 06-24-2011, 03:51 PM   #167
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Funny thing is apparently right now the Titans and Vikings are polar opposites as far as QB's are concerned. Titans have embraced Locker and allowed him take on a leadership role. Ponder on the other hand has had a tough time getting veterans to show up for player OTA's. Not a good sign for Minnesota, a house cleaning might be in order seeing how some of their players refuse to believe that they're rebuilding or even reloading.
Agreed, Minny needs to blow that team up and rebuild quickly so they don't waste AP in his prime years. They can't waste a season or two of just "patching things up" while AP gets older.
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Old 06-24-2011, 04:22 PM   #168
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Re: Where will McNabb land?

While there are some who are not yet ready to drop a shovel of dirt on McNabb’s 12-year NFL career, it’s a possibility that we no longer may regard as shocking. McNabb, more likely than not will insist on being installed as the Day One starter with whatever team if/when he signs, plus he’ll want the kind of financial package that inherently will demonstrate that the Eagles were wrong to trade him and that the Redskins were wrong to dismiss him. At this point, we can’t think of a team that will do it — and we can’t envision McNabb accepting any lesser terms in order to continue playing.


Much can change between now and whenever the lockout ends. But those changes possibly will have to come as much from McNabb’s view of his current abilities as they will from the needs of the teams who are trying to decide what to do at quarterback in 2011.
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Old 06-24-2011, 04:31 PM   #169
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Seems a bit premature to blow things up in Minny. I think they'll look to add a veteran QB (perhaps #5) and take another shot at winning this thing.
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Old 06-24-2011, 04:57 PM   #170
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I also think it's premature to blow things up regarding McNabb here. We signed him to a multiyear deal, lets give him more than ONE year to get it.

Yes, he's a pro QB and should have been able to make the transition to any offense, even one that was 180 degrees different than the only pro offense he's ever run.

Yes, the coaches made some bad decisions and said some questionable things.

End of the day, they're all professionals who should be able to work together and they all have contracts to fulfill.

I honestly think McNabb after a year in the system with our offensive upgrades will be much better in 2011...if given the chance.

McNabb starter, Beck backup. If Donovan tanks another season, THEN send him packing and draft a new QB, unless Beck emerges.

McNabb has always had accuracy issues throughout his career, BUT he can still throw a nice deep ball and our new WRs should be getting downfield a LOT. If you look at his stats, 2010 was an anomaly...he NEVER threw that many INTs before. Drom 2009 to 2010, he dropped from 22 TDs/10 INTs to 14 TDs/15 INTs. You don't fall that far from age in the span of 12 months...he had a horrible O-line, a revolving door at RB, 2 decent WRs and was slow to grasp the playbook. He should know it by now. Let him prove it.
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Old 06-24-2011, 05:17 PM   #171
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Funny thing is, I think a lot of players in Minnesota just aren't expecting Ponder to start.

I think a lot of players in Minny believe McNabb's going to be the starter anyway. It's been said enough. If McNabb called a bunch of those guys for "just a workout", I bet they'd all show up.

I think the one thing the Brett Favre thing did was fracture the leadership in the locker room. There's no leader on the offensive side of the ball that Ponder can call to try and help him organize.

I think the Vikes are going to be in a bad way regardless of if they bring in a veteran or not. The Chilly/Favre fiasco is going to start to hit them hard.
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Old 06-24-2011, 05:41 PM   #172
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I also think it's premature to blow things up regarding McNabb here. We signed him to a multiyear deal, lets give him more than ONE year to get it.

Yes, he's a pro QB and should have been able to make the transition to any offense, even one that was 180 degrees different than the only pro offense he's ever run.

Yes, the coaches made some bad decisions and said some questionable things.

End of the day, they're all professionals who should be able to work together and they all have contracts to fulfill.

I honestly think McNabb after a year in the system with our offensive upgrades will be much better in 2011...if given the chance.

McNabb starter, Beck backup. If Donovan tanks another season, THEN send him packing and draft a new QB, unless Beck emerges.

McNabb has always had accuracy issues throughout his career, BUT he can still throw a nice deep ball and our new WRs should be getting downfield a LOT. If you look at his stats, 2010 was an anomaly...he NEVER threw that many INTs before. Drom 2009 to 2010, he dropped from 22 TDs/10 INTs to 14 TDs/15 INTs. You don't fall that far from age in the span of 12 months...he had a horrible O-line, a revolving door at RB, 2 decent WRs and was slow to grasp the playbook. He should know it by now. Let him prove it.
The problem...dude has plenty of time to grasp the playbook. We traded for in in April of 2010. He went to every OTA, every minicamp, had training camp, had ample time to sit down with Kyle and get it down, had two preseason games and thirteen regular season games to learn the offense.

For comparison's sake, Sam Bradford was a rookie quarterback with no weapons outside of Steve Jackson, and an offensive line that was mediocre-to-average. Bradford, the rookie, ended up with a higher QB rating, more touchdowns, and a better completion percentage.

Jay Cutler had to learn a completely different system with only one Pro Bowl wide receiver and an relatively unproven running back and a bad offensive line and the Bears got to an NFC Championship game.

It's not about him knowing the plays. I'm betting he knows the plays. It's about executing them. That's where the problems came in. McNabb's fundamentals are such that the execution of the offense suffered. It's nice that McNabb can throw the ball 70 yards with a flick of the rist, but this ain't Air Coryell. It's not a vertical passing offense.

He just couldn't execute the plays as called on the field. When I go back and look at the games, I see it time and time again, where he drops back, and it seems like he's only reading half the field, or he's only reading his number one and his checkdown guy. His footwork wasn't good, he couldn't keep good time with his receivers.

And the attitude was the tipping point. The inability to take coaching. The dude said he felt like they wanted him to be a robot. No, they wanted him to run the plays as called the way they were designed. Coming onto the practice field late, not keeping a good tempo during practice or during the game.

Like I said, his best chance to start and have some prolonged success probably is to stay here, but he'd have to change his entire make-up and be way more open to the way Kyle wants things done. It's hard to meet a guy halfway when he seems resistant to what you want and need him to do.

Another year might just make the situation worse, especially if he keeps the contract he has now. Why prolong the agony if you feel like he can't be the guy?
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Old 06-24-2011, 06:43 PM   #173
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I also think it's premature to blow things up regarding McNabb here. We signed him to a multiyear deal, lets give him more than ONE year to get it.

Yes, he's a pro QB and should have been able to make the transition to any offense, even one that was 180 degrees different than the only pro offense he's ever run.

Yes, the coaches made some bad decisions and said some questionable things.

End of the day, they're all professionals who should be able to work together and they all have contracts to fulfill.

I honestly think McNabb after a year in the system with our offensive upgrades will be much better in 2011...if given the chance.

McNabb starter, Beck backup. If Donovan tanks another season, THEN send him packing and draft a new QB, unless Beck emerges.

McNabb has always had accuracy issues throughout his career, BUT he can still throw a nice deep ball and our new WRs should be getting downfield a LOT. If you look at his stats, 2010 was an anomaly...he NEVER threw that many INTs before. Drom 2009 to 2010, he dropped from 22 TDs/10 INTs to 14 TDs/15 INTs. You don't fall that far from age in the span of 12 months...he had a horrible O-line, a revolving door at RB, 2 decent WRs and was slow to grasp the playbook. He should know it by now. Let him prove it.
McNabb was never in the highest tier of QBs even in his prime, and no one feared the pocket passer McNabb much. His mobility is dwindling, and everyone knows he isn't proficient in an area many other real elite QBs are: the short passing game. Manning, Brady, etc, can all go deep, but they can also burn Ds by moving the chains steadily.
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Old 06-25-2011, 09:07 AM   #174
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Donovan McNabb wants athletes off Twitter - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post
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Old 06-25-2011, 12:58 PM   #175
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"DAMN YOU KIDS AND YOUR TWITTERNETS AND YOUR FACESPACES! YOUNG WHIPPERSNAPPERS JUST DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD THEY HAVE IT! WHEN I WAS YOUR AGE I HAD TO WALK 15 MILES UPHILL BOTH WAYS IN THE SNOW TO GET TO THE PRACTICE FACILITY, JUST FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF PUKING IN THE HUDDLE!"

I think the most interesting part of that article isn't some old fart complaining about Twitter, but what he said about the player workouts.

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"I think teams have done a great job of getting together and working out,” he said. “Some have been televised, and I don’t agree with that. I think this is an opportunity to spend [time] just with your teammates and not for all of the public to see you out there....That’s the way it comes off. It comes off that way. And there’s easy ways to get together, for offensive guys to go out and throw routes and run plays and things of that nature. I believe it’s become a show, where guys have gotten everybody together and it’s like they’re having camps and they’re having OTAs when that’s part of the reason we’re in this lockout, to try to avoid some things like that. It’s unbelievable, the circus that has kind of gathered around guys just working out together. It’s amazing.”
We're in the lockout to avoid having OTAs and camp?

And why does the bolded part sound suspiciously like the workouts the Redskins were having?

Or maybe I'm reading too much into it, but still...
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Old 06-25-2011, 06:33 PM   #176
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As far as accuracy is concerned McNabb's career completion percentage is 59% Elway, 56%, Marino 59.4%. I'm not implying he's better than those 2 because he's not. However he's not as in-accurate as his detractors make him out to be.
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I would be surprised if his stats last year would stand up to that scrutiny?
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As far as accuracy is concerned McNabb's career completion percentage is 59% Elway, 56%, Marino 59.4%. I'm not implying he's better than those 2 because he's not. However he's not as in-accurate as his detractors make him out to be.
It's not so much that his passes don't get completed as much as it's the ball location. Part of the West Coast Offense is allowing your wide receivers to catch the ball and gain years after the catch. It's really hard to catch a ball thrown at your feet or when you have to slide and drop to your knees to make a catch. Sometimes that's the only place to put the ball, but notice a lot of low passes with McNabb, or passes that were thrown entirely too hard.
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It's not so much that his passes don't get completed as much as it's the ball location. Part of the West Coast Offense is allowing your wide receivers to catch the ball and gain years after the catch. It's really hard to catch a ball thrown at your feet or when you have to slide and drop to your knees to make a catch. Sometimes that's the only place to put the ball, but notice a lot of low passes with McNabb, or passes that were thrown entirely too hard.
True, he doesn't throw an easy ball at all. Plus he often puts to much on short routine passes that don't require a high velocity throw. That's why his recievers drop so many passes.
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Perfect example was during the Minnesota game. Santana comes across the formation on a slant, it's gain, but McNabb just drills the ball as hard as he can into Moss' hands, and there's no way Moss can catch it. Ball bounces off Moss' hands and ends up being intercepted.

Everyone says it's a drop by Moss, but there was no way anyone could've caught that ball. A little touch would be nice. Armstrong said he already has cartilage damage from catching footballs thrown by McNabb.
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