Where will McNabb land?

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 02-26-2011, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

eq and scp in same thread = mind asplode

Man you really have it out for me don't you?

sportscurmudgeon · 02-26-2011, 03:11 PM

Allow me to recast the atmosphere here for a moment...

Which of these scenarios is more preferable for the Redskins?

Scenario #1: McNabb agrees to pay back the ~$3M bonus he got last season (or 90% of it) and gets an immediate release before the CBA expires. Skins get some money back but get no picks or players for McNabb. The drama and the "distractions" are OVER.

Scenario #2: The new CBA is not in force until mid June. There have been no OTAs or minicamps; Bruce Allen has 3 weeks to assemble the team, sign the draftees, figure out whatever the new cap rules are. Any offers he gets for McNabb are strictly "low-ball offers" (conditional 7th round pick). At that point, McNabb offers to pay them back the bonus money for an immediate release.

Scenario #3: The new CBA is not in force until mid-June (or even later) and the Skins start training camp with McNabb, Grossman, Beck and "whatever rookie QB you happen to like most" on the roster. No meaningful offers for McNabb arrive and he is being a compliant player in camp. With no work for the rookie at OTAs or minicamp, there is no way he can start in 2011 (remember it takes a couple of years to grasp the intricacies of the Kyle Shanahan offense). So the Skins keep him around just in case Grossman gets hurt - - and then it is opening day. At that point, the Skins release McNabb to avoid having to pay him $10M+ as their back-up QB.

It seems to me that the realistic choices are "release McNabb" or "trade McNabb". However, to accomplish the second you have to have another team willing to give the Skins something that they think is "fair value" and with other teams scrambling to put their squads together, his "fair value" is likely to go down -not up - if they hold on to him until the season is about to start.

Personally, I would go with Scenario #1...

Shadowbyte · 02-26-2011, 06:05 PM

I believe McNabb will land in Minnesota. My second guess would be Miami. I don't believe he'll land in Arizona since Fitzgerald threw him under the bus when he was asked if there's any pontenial free-agent QB's he'd like to play with, and he only mentioned Bulger and Kobb.

Defensewins · 02-26-2011, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

I believe McNabb will land in Minnesota. My second guess would be Miami. I don't believe he'll land in Arizona since Fitzgerald threw him under the bus when he was asked if there's any pontenial free-agent QB's he'd like to play with, and he only mentioned Bulger and Kobb.

Is McNabb a Free Agent?

Shadowbyte · 02-26-2011, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

Is McNabb a Free Agent?

Ha ha, I knew someone would resopnd with this smart ass comment lol. That's why I said "potential".

Defensewins · 02-26-2011, 09:29 PM

I couldn't resist.

redsk1 · 02-26-2011, 09:45 PM

[QUOTE=GMScud;786310]I'll be pretty annoyed if we cut him. That would mean a 2nd and a 4th round pick for a guy who got benched twice and won what? 3 or 4 games total? Fail.

We can't trade him until there's a new CBA, so he may be a Redskin well into the summer if a deal can't get done.[/QUOTE

Can't believe we're at this point. Bad trade, a 2nd and a 4th and no long term plans. I've got faith in this new regime but this was not a good move. Our FO should have known enough about DM before the trade to build our team around him. If he wasn't good enough, they should have known and not made the trade. It was a "Vinny-eske" trade.

saden1 · 02-26-2011, 10:05 PM

What an amateur of an organization!

CultBrennan59 · 02-27-2011, 12:18 AM

minnesota's my guess

GMScud · 02-27-2011, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Allow me to recast the atmosphere here for a moment...

Which of these scenarios is more preferable for the Redskins?

Scenario #1: McNabb agrees to pay back the ~$3M bonus he got last season (or 90% of it) and gets an immediate release before the CBA expires. Skins get some money back but get no picks or players for McNabb. The drama and the "distractions" are OVER.

Scenario #2: The new CBA is not in force until mid June. There have been no OTAs or minicamps; Bruce Allen has 3 weeks to assemble the team, sign the draftees, figure out whatever the new cap rules are. Any offers he gets for McNabb are strictly "low-ball offers" (conditional 7th round pick). At that point, McNabb offers to pay them back the bonus money for an immediate release.

Scenario #3: The new CBA is not in force until mid-June (or even later) and the Skins start training camp with McNabb, Grossman, Beck and "whatever rookie QB you happen to like most" on the roster. No meaningful offers for McNabb arrive and he is being a compliant player in camp. With no work for the rookie at OTAs or minicamp, there is no way he can start in 2011 (remember it takes a couple of years to grasp the intricacies of the Kyle Shanahan offense). So the Skins keep him around just in case Grossman gets hurt - - and then it is opening day. At that point, the Skins release McNabb to avoid having to pay him $10M+ as their back-up QB.

It seems to me that the realistic choices are "release McNabb" or "trade McNabb". However, to accomplish the second you have to have another team willing to give the Skins something that they think is "fair value" and with other teams scrambling to put their squads together, his "fair value" is likely to go down -not up - if they hold on to him until the season is about to start.

Personally, I would go with Scenario #1...

Scenario 1 would certainly be the most quiet way to simply part ways, but that would have to happen within the next 4-5 days. Also, that would involve the Redskins totally tucking their tail and saying the ~$3M bonus repayment is all Allen/Shanny need to concede a complete and utter embarrassment of a defeat in the trade. They'd try to put it in the rearview and move forward, but getting absolutely nothing in return for a player in whom they invested so much.... That's a big organizational meltdown right there.

And... wait for it... we still have Haynesworth to deal with.

Ruhskins · 02-27-2011, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

Scenario 1 would certainly be the most quiet way to simply part ways, but that would have to happen within the next 4-5 days. Also, that would involve the Redskins totally tucking their tail and saying the ~$3M bonus repayment is all Allen/Shanny need to concede a complete and utter embarrassment of a defeat in the trade. They'd try to put it in the rearview and move forward, but getting absolutely nothing in return for a player in whom they invested so much.... That's a big organizational meltdown right there.

And... wait for it... we still have Haynesworth to deal with.

I really hope Shanahan gets his sh*t together this year and make some smart moves with the team. I know he's had a lot of challenges to overcome, but the McNabb/Haynesworth dramas were not a good way to start his era in Washington. Whatever he does, I hope it starts by finding ways to git rid of these two players.

SirClintonPortis · 02-27-2011, 09:16 AM

Hmm...how much of Minny's interest in Mcdrabb was due to Child Dress chaser wanting him?

WilbursHomie · 02-27-2011, 09:20 AM

No one is trading for Mcnabb and getting stuck with his 8 million dollar roster bonus for next year or whatever the number is. Even in a bidding war in free agency they can get him for much less and not have to give up any picks. Even the contracts we give players that are meant to give us a "way out" end up biting us in the ass.

tryfuhl · 02-27-2011, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Hmm...how much of Minny's interest in Mcdrabb was due to Child Dress chaser wanting him?

That must have sounded really funny in your head.

WilbursHomie · 02-27-2011, 09:24 AM

On another note, looks like Portis will be released today or tomorrow. I would have started a thread but I'm new to this. Definitely time to let the guy go but Portis was a freaking work horse for the skins and busted his tail during the franchises darkest years. Guys a Redskin to the bone. If he had Riggins O-line or Owner, he prob would be our leading all time rusher. Good luck CP.

02-26-2011, 03:11 PM	#17
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Where will McNabb land? Allow me to recast the atmosphere here for a moment... Which of these scenarios is more preferable for the Redskins? Scenario #1: McNabb agrees to pay back the ~$3M bonus he got last season (or 90% of it) and gets an immediate release before the CBA expires. Skins get some money back but get no picks or players for McNabb. The drama and the "distractions" are OVER. Scenario #2: The new CBA is not in force until mid June. There have been no OTAs or minicamps; Bruce Allen has 3 weeks to assemble the team, sign the draftees, figure out whatever the new cap rules are. Any offers he gets for McNabb are strictly "low-ball offers" (conditional 7th round pick). At that point, McNabb offers to pay them back the bonus money for an immediate release. Scenario #3: The new CBA is not in force until mid-June (or even later) and the Skins start training camp with McNabb, Grossman, Beck and "whatever rookie QB you happen to like most" on the roster. No meaningful offers for McNabb arrive and he is being a compliant player in camp. With no work for the rookie at OTAs or minicamp, there is no way he can start in 2011 (remember it takes a couple of years to grasp the intricacies of the Kyle Shanahan offense). So the Skins keep him around just in case Grossman gets hurt - - and then it is opening day. At that point, the Skins release McNabb to avoid having to pay him $10M+ as their back-up QB. It seems to me that the realistic choices are "release McNabb" or "trade McNabb". However, to accomplish the second you have to have another team willing to give the Skins something that they think is "fair value" and with other teams scrambling to put their squads together, his "fair value" is likely to go down -not up - if they hold on to him until the season is about to start. Personally, I would go with Scenario #1... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

02-26-2011, 06:05 PM	#18
Shadowbyte Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 383	Re: Where will McNabb land? I believe McNabb will land in Minnesota. My second guess would be Miami. I don't believe he'll land in Arizona since Fitzgerald threw him under the bus when he was asked if there's any pontenial free-agent QB's he'd like to play with, and he only mentioned Bulger and Kobb.

02-26-2011, 09:29 PM	#21
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,753	Re: Where will McNabb land? I couldn't resist.

02-26-2011, 09:45 PM	#22
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Where will McNabb land? [QUOTE=GMScud;786310]I'll be pretty annoyed if we cut him. That would mean a 2nd and a 4th round pick for a guy who got benched twice and won what? 3 or 4 games total? Fail. We can't trade him until there's a new CBA, so he may be a Redskin well into the summer if a deal can't get done.[/QUOTE Can't believe we're at this point. Bad trade, a 2nd and a 4th and no long term plans. I've got faith in this new regime but this was not a good move. Our FO should have known enough about DM before the trade to build our team around him. If he wasn't good enough, they should have known and not made the trade. It was a "Vinny-eske" trade.

02-26-2011, 10:05 PM	#23
saden1 Eternally Legendary Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 33 Posts: 9,735	Re: Where will McNabb land? What an amateur of an organization! __________________ RG3, RGIII, RG三, RG३, RGγʹ, RGג, RG٣, RG๓, RG..., RG셋, RGԳ!

02-27-2011, 12:18 AM	#24
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,589	Re: Where will McNabb land? minnesota's my guess __________________ When in doubt, go with the SEC

02-27-2011, 09:16 AM	#27
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: Where will McNabb land? Hmm...how much of Minny's interest in Mcdrabb was due to Child Dress chaser wanting him? __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

02-27-2011, 09:20 AM	#28
WilbursHomie Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 316	No one is trading for Mcnabb and getting stuck with his 8 million dollar roster bonus for next year or whatever the number is. Even in a bidding war in free agency they can get him for much less and not have to give up any picks. Even the contracts we give players that are meant to give us a "way out" end up biting us in the ass.

02-27-2011, 09:24 AM	#30
WilbursHomie Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 316	On another note, looks like Portis will be released today or tomorrow. I would have started a thread but I'm new to this. Definitely time to let the guy go but Portis was a freaking work horse for the skins and busted his tail during the franchises darkest years. Guys a Redskin to the bone. If he had Riggins O-line or Owner, he prob would be our leading all time rusher. Good luck CP.

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